@sonship saidI "wouldn't go that far"?
Okay. I'll grant you that you didn't jump on the Christopher Hitchens million selling blockbuster - "God is not Great, How religion poisons everything."
I'll give you that benefit of a doubt. That you wouldn't go that far.
What do you mean?
My stance on religion has always been the complete opposite of that.
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So the only way for Christians not to be influenced by "Satan" is for them to join your group?
Nope twisto mind.
I said it before. It is one thing to leave religion. it is another thing for it to leave you.
And above I wrote, and it went completely in one atheistic ear and out the other, that the problem of religion is on man's flesh.
So leaving a group doesn't insure that the problem of being distracted from God has left YOU.
And if you bothered to READ our literature which I continually site at www.ministrybooks.org, you'd see that the warnings of these problens are just as much with us meeting in local churches.
PLEASE - point me to one sentence of GUARANTEE that simply because one meets in a local church she or he cannot be backslidden or sidetracked or deceived or distracted or lukewarm or otherwise failing to grow in spiritual life.
SHOW ME THE AUTOMATIC GUARANTEE.
You ASSUME IT. SHOW ME IT in print.
Better still, show in the New Testament a local church to whom a letter was written, that didn't have something to overcome somewhere there.
Reach for the Apathy hat?
"Well, you see, it doesn't matter to me. I lack belief in your ideology."
Except when you want to build a case that we are mean to our Christian brothers, who do not out of freedom of their informed own conscience, choose to meet in this way - one city / one church.
@sonship saidIf the "religion poisons everything" idea is not being propagated here on this web site's forum, then the significance to me that someone somewhere else on the internet is saying it is zero.
What web site forum did you go to protesting that Athiest Hitchens goes TOO FAR to say God is not great and religion poisons everything?
@sonship saidDo Catholics and Protestants joining your group bring "Satanic" influence with them?
@FMFSo the only way for Christians not to be influenced by "Satan" is for them to join your group?
Nope twisto mind.
I said it before. It is one thing to leave religion. it is another thing for it to leave you.
And above I wrote, and it went completely in one atheistic ear and out the other, that the problem of religion is on man's flesh.
So ...[text shortened]... ut of freedom of their informed own conscience, choose to meet in this way - one city / one church.
@sonship saidDoes the presence of such people in your group mean that it is ALSO part of the "Satanic" organisation?
PLEASE - point me to one sentence of GUARANTEE that simply because one meets in a local church she or he cannot be backslidden or sidetracked or deceived or distracted or lukewarm or otherwise failing to grow in spiritual life.
If the "religion poisons everything" idea is not being propagated here on this web site's forum, then the significance to me that someone somewhere else on the internet is saying it is zero.
Regardless. From early mankind - from Genesis to Revelation there is the problem of Satan opposing God.
And what better way to deceive men then with something that has at least some element of truth mixed in with it?
So God says "Come out of her, My people" whether you like it or not.
Where did the strongest opposition come from to oppose the Son of God? No not from Roman politics. But it came from religion, even what was started by God - the law of Moses.
That is where the harshest opposition to Christ came.
Human nature has not changed in the intervening centuries.
You mistake honest diagnosis for meanness.
I assure you that Witness Lee CARED for the spiritual well-being of his listeners.
You know who your friend is? It is the person who tells you the truth.
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Does the presence of such people in your group mean that it is ALSO part of the "Satanic" organisation?
I said SHOW ME THE GUARANTEE.
Ie. "You meet in the local church? No problem, you've arrived in every sense. Nothing could be amiss as long as you are on the phone list."
SHOW ME THE GUARANTEE.
No! No question more. SHOW ME MY GUARANTEE.
You can't. You know why? One reason is that you don't READ the stuff. You just jump on the gossip.
Look, rest in peace FMF. Why if the Internet has something amiss about somebody, why, it HAS to be 100% accurate in every sense. The Internet never lies, never has mistakes, never inaccurate.
@sonship saidHow is the above a reply to:
Regardless. From early mankind - from Genesis to Revelation there is the problem of Satan opposing God.
And what better way to deceive men then with something that has at least some element of truth mixed in with it?
So God says "Come out of her, My people" whether you like it or not.
Where did the strongest opposition come from to oppose the ...[text shortened]... l-being of his listeners.
You know who your friend is? It is the person who tells you the truth.
If the "religion poisons everything" idea is not being propagated here on this web site's forum, then the significance to me that someone somewhere else on the internet is saying it is zero.
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@divegeester
At random now, I'll reply to some of your posts.
There was no "mocking" of you or your error and certainly no "scoffing" at the redeeming blood of Christ.
We may not agree on the tone of mocking. Fine.
But you said such a concept from the song "There is a Fountain Filled with Blood" was not biblical.
Wrong.
It is.
Now if YOU ... YOU the Unitarian ... have not enjoyed the overflowing redemption of Christ and the effectiveness of His blood upon YOUR conscience, that is not "unbiblical". That's your unbelief and lack of enjoyment of God.
Folks Divegeester said (mocking or not) that the concept of an outpouring of Christ's redemption as pictured in a fountain is not biblical.
Well, "fountain filled with blood" maybe is not an exact phrase you can find in the Bible. But it is foolishness to not recognize the prophecy about the fountain for sin opened for the children of Israel. (And for all believers in the Redeemer)
In that day there will be ab opened fountain for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem FOR SIN AND FOR IMPURITY ..." (Zechariah 13:1)
That is the fountain coming out of the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world, Jesus, who happens also to be the Jewish Messiah.
Now if Divegeester has not EXPERIENCED the redemption of Christ in all its richness and is still counting on his own good works to justify him before God, that is another problem.
He can then say "Well, I haven't ever experienced any so-called fountain of blood cleansing me from sins." That is not unbiblical. That is his shortage of enjoyment of the living God and the sent Redeemer. That is just lack in YOUR spiritual experience.
Look, here, for all intents and purposes is the fountain of the blood of Jesus opened for us sinners all. John testified to it.
On His cross of six hours torment, when He had delivered up His spirit in death.
[quote] " But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water.
and he who has seen this has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he says what is true, that you also may believe." (John 19:34,35)
Maybe Divegeester doesn't see the connection. Maybe he regards the whole Bible as a scrap book of isolated and unrelated scraps of religious wisdom here and there, scattered, having nothing to do with each other.
But some of us sing our hearts out who know the power of the blood of Christ to secure forgiveness of our sins.
"There is a fountain filled with blood,
Drawn from Emmanuel's vein.
And sinners plunge beneath the flood,
Lose all their guilty stain. "
Thank God. Its biblical enough.
What I did was challenge you on a false teaching coming out from your cult church which described the blood of Christ flowing from a fountain, in fact a "foiuntain of blood".
See above.
Unitarian is the false cult.
That is to deny the Father - Son - and Holy Spirit - one God.
They cannot come to confess that the Divine "We" who comes to make an abode with the lovers of Jesus is God - the Father and the Son as the Holy Spirit.
I pointed out
You TRIED. You FAILED.
What else is the fountain opened for sin in Zechariah 13:1 for sin and for inpurity ?
The life is in the blood.
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
He poured out His life for the redemption of our sins.
" ... He poured out His life unto death and was numbered with the transgressors,
Yet He alone bore the sin of many and interceded for the transgressor." (Isaiah 53:12b)
Don't listen to Unitarian redemption denying Divegeester. Trust in Jesus Christ the risen Savior and Lord, Who poured out His life - His righteous blood to be the ransom for sinners of the world all.
to you with no mocking or scoffing, how you were wrong and also how you had lifted the teaching without acknowledging the author, which you later did.
Back to plagiarism now. You know when Divegeester is floundering when he returns to plagiarism and space aliens in chains.
I quoted a HYMN. I quoted a classic HYMN and concealed NOTHING. Latter I did specify the author.
For sure the author was no FOOL like this Unitarian who teaches against the eternal redemption of Christ.
So please stop lying. [/quote
There is a fountain filled with redeeming blood. That was the blood of the man - "God With Us" - Emmanuel.
[quote] " Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a son, and they shall call His name EMMANUEL (which is translated God with us."😉 (Matthew 1:23)