@kellyjay said
I'm not speaking about the movement

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Now if we get into just trading testimonials your buddy FMF will whine that I am spamming the board with testimonials. Umm, you guys started it. I just can match each one of your sours ones with three positive ones, easily.

@sonship said
Now if we get into just trading testimonials your buddy FMF will whine that I am spamming the board with testimonials.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
2 points Kelly:

1. My post wasn't directed at you.
2. The 'movement' is referenced in the title of the thread.

This is at best an unfortunate interpretation of scripture. At worst, it's heracy. [Yet, it's another example of the aberrant nature of some of Witness Lee's teachings.

" ... Him who has called us to His own glory and virtue. through which he has granted top us precious and exceedingly great promises that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature ... " (2 Pet. 1:3c,4a)

The birth of cows and goats can hardly be compared to the mystery of spiritual rebirth.

As I recall from Genesis 1, man's body was formed of the dust of the ground, not physically born of God.

"For also, we who are in this tabernacle groan, being burdened, in that we do not desi[re to be unclothed, both clothed upon, that what is moral may be swallowed up by life." (2 Cor. 5:4)

"For our commonwealth exists in the heavens, from which also we eagerly await a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Who will transfigure the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of His glory, according to His operation by which He is able even to subject all things to Himself.: (Phil,. 3:20,21)

The only way I can see for Witness Lee's analogy to hold up would be for the man Jesus to marry a human female and procreate, thus producing "children of God." Ridiculous!

"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called the children of God, and we are.

Because of this the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been manifested what we will be. We know that if He is manifested, we will be like Him because we will see Him even as He is." (1 John 3:1-2)

"When He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed (because our testimony to you was believed) in that day." (1 Thess. 1:10)

What does "only begotten Son" mean, anyway?

"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers." (Rom. 8:29)

"And when He brings again the Firstborn into the inhabited earth, He says, And let all the angels of God worship Him." (Hebrews 1:6)

"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in leading many sons into glory, to make the Author [or Captain] of their salvation perfect through sufferings." ( Heb. 2:10)

Doesn't that mean He begat ONLY ONE? We became His children by being born of the Holy Spirit.

Doesn't that mean He begat ONLY ONE? We became His children by being born of the Holy Spirit.

"And from Jesus Christ, the faithful Witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth.

To Him who loves us and has released us from out sins by His blood and made us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father, to Him be the glory and the might forever and ever. Amen." (Rev. 1:5,6)

"Truly, truly I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." (John 12:24)

"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me." (Rev. 21:7)

@sonship said
Christ came to duplicate Himself as the standard prototype of the man mingled with God the God-man. He came to mass produce many sons like Himself yet not sharing His unique only begotten-ness

@sonship said
In Revelation 19 Christ comes again with many diadems. That is many crown like reefs upon His head. The symbolism is that He has MANY honors. Being the Only Begotten Son is one. Being the Firstborn of all creation and the Firstborn from the dead are also His.

Sonship,

On your church’s website, in the statement of beliefs section, it states that a person MUST accept the trinity doctrine in order to be saved.

Do you agree with what your church has published in this regard, yes or no?

@kellyjay said
Actually you invited me to look at the post as an answer to a question of mine directed at you.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No, I didn't.

I continued to post testimonials.

Ghost's champion "chap" says -

This is at best an unfortunate interpretation of scripture. At worst, it's heracy. Yet, it's another example of the aberrant nature of some of Witness Lee's teachings.

It is the conclusion of Fuller Theological Seminary that the teachings and practices of the local churches and its members represent genuine, historical, biblical Christian faith in every essential aspect. One of the initial tasks of Fuller was to determine if the portrayal of the ministry typically presented by its critics accurately reflect the teachings of the ministry. On this point we found a great disparity between the perceptions that have been generated in some circles concerning the teachings of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee and the actual teachings found in their writings. Particularly, the teachings of Witness Lee have been grossly misrepresented and therefore most frequently misunderstood in the general Christian community, especially among those who classify themselves as evangelicals. We consistently discovered that when examined fairly in the light of scripture and church history, the actual teachings in question have significant biblical and historical credence. Therefore, we believe that they deserve the attention and consideration of the entire Body of Christ.

@kellyjay said
Not true.

There was a post I questioned you on, and asked.
kellyjay said
"What about this do you find bonkers?"

You had referred me to a post with the following and I responded again.

ghost said, "Read above."

@sonship

Part of a testimonial from an escapee of the Witness Lee cult:

'There is much fear talk warning of members who have left the group and met with horrible fates. I remember growing up hearing dramatic tales of the inevitable judgment of anyone who was foolish enough to leave God's eternal purpose. They had all met violent, brutal deaths. No detail of their suffering was spared as these stories were circulated to further cement and enforce permanent group membership.'

(Source already provided).