Originally posted by RJHindsYou really don't see the differance do you? Telling ones who they were because Jesus could read their hearts, which is something you cannot do or have the authority to do is different then telling ones to get their head out of the _ _ _.
If Jesus had watched His speech He would not have made enemies of the Pharisees by calling them names, like hypocrites and vipers, and referring to their father as Satan the devil.
Originally posted by galveston75I don't think you have any credibility suggesting other people have their "head in the sand" and certainly not me. That's why I asked you to define it in your terms to see if you're using it in some non-standard way.
Lol. You are just full of questions aren't you? I guess you've never heard that term "head in the sand"?
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Originally posted by galveston75Well I read what you wrote. And I read what robbie wrote. And it came across like he was trying to cover for the fact that what you wrote wasn't the same as what he thinks. Did you say: "Ones like yourself and others here, even some so called Christians, that are not being shown by God these events, will never see it."? Yes. You did. Did you say: "The proof is in every bible. But the point your'e missing is this. If God does not allow you to see it with understanding when you read it, that is between you and him."? Yes. You did. Did you say: "It is God that is not letting you see, not the one teaching."? Yes. You did. robbie says that you are NOT saying "God has withheld them"; you are saying He HAS withheld them. Your two views are at odds.
Well you are wrong because it's not at odds. Perhas you just can't see that?
Hebrews 5:11-14
New Living Translation (NLT)
A Call to Spiritual Growth
11 There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. 12 You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word.[a] You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. 13 For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. 14 Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong."
This actually applies to ones who call themselves Christians but have never progressed beyond the elementry things in the Bible, and it could also apply even to ones who do not believe in God or his son and lack any spiritual knowledge at all.
So how does one learn the "solid" things? You have to be wiling to be taught. If you are not willing, you will NOT learn and understand what you are being shown.
Originally posted by galveston75It's the seed-planting that's at issue. You are blaming God for thwarting growth, rather than your own poor planting.
As I said it wouldn't matter how or who explained these things to one who is not wanting to see. It is God that is not letting you see, not the one teaching. All we can do is plant the seed and be there to assist, but it is God that makes the knowledge grow.
Originally posted by FMFNope, it means what it means. Nothing personal against you but it's amazing that one who seems to be failry intelligent can deny the condition of the world. I'm not knocking your optimism about life and that is good, but to say these things that are REALLY happening, are not, seems really strange.
I don't think you have any credibility suggesting other people have their "head in the sand" and certainly not me. That's why I asked you to define it in your terms to see if you're using it in some non-standard way.
My opinion is that you do deny a God that can actually help and as a result you can only put your hope in man as the only answer. You've made it so you have no other choise.
Originally posted by galveston75Well we disagree about the "condition of the world" now, and relative to the past. I have read widely on both sides of this argument, witnessed much myself, and discussed such things with a wide variety of people from various different parts of the world. What analysis and other material have you exposed yourself to that challenges your views on "the condition of the world"?
Nope, it means what it means. Nothing personal against you but it's amazing that one who seems to be failry intelligent can deny the condition of the world.
Originally posted by galveston75What things that you say are "REALLY happening" do you think I am saying are not happening? Are you talking about that lady on the bus still? What are you talking about?
I'm not knocking your optimism about life and that is good, but to say these things that are REALLY happening, are not, seems really strange.
Originally posted by galveston753 pages back I asked you the following, and would like to know if you have an answer. It would seem that a well-organized church for whom witnessing is important, would have advice for its followers on when to back off.
Oh my...What a silly comment with no understanding.
Does the JW organization study the witnessing process to see what is effective to use in witnessing to different kinds of people, and/or whether it is ever best (for those people) to back off from them?
This is a sincere question.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieA few pages ago you denied that God would withhold evidence from someone and it was somehow a matter of 'logic' (God only knows what you actually meant there), now you are claiming that it does happen? Which one is it?
its open to interpretation as far as i can discern, if they are not being shown these
evidences by God, there must be some reason for it and its not explicitly stated on
whose part the reason for withholding has taken place, either because of the attitudes of
the recipients or because God himself has deemed them somehow not entitled to the
in expediency, if you
deny the divine, you are limiting the possibilities, ironic or otherwise.