Originally posted by @romans1009And what I am saying is that perhaps you settling for the Christian doctrine package might be a result of the finite mind and limited understanding and perspective you are admitting you have. In other words, if my beliefs can be attributed to a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective, then your beliefs can be attributed to your finite mind and limited understanding and perspective too.
We all, as humans, have a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective, and I never claimed otherwise or claimed I was an exception. I had written what you quoted in response to your attempt to know all the ways of an omniscient, eternal and completely holy God. Because you have a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective - like all humans - it’s simply not possible to know everything about God.
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Originally posted by @romans1009Ephesians 2 contains a standard passage used by Christians to show that they are saved by Grace and that they are chosen to do good works. The truth is that Paul is addressing the predestined chosen ones and not every Christian.
I would have to see the verses you’re referring to before I could respond. Do you know what verses from Ephesians I quoted? I recall quoting quite a few verses from Galatians but can’t recall any from Ephesians. Not saying I didn’t; I just don’t recall them.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Ephesians:2:8-10
Originally posted by @romans1009You are asserting Christian dogma that you have internalized and believe in, and you are copy-pasting quotes extensively from ancient texts.
I am neither reciting nor professing dogma. I’m responding to questions and posts with original writing that concern my sincere and heartfelt beliefs.
Originally posted by @fmf<I'd be interested to hear if this kind of 'debating' has been successful for you in the propagation of your beliefs these last four years.>
So you have only been professing this dogma you are reciting for a relatively short time, then. A mere four years.
But it's long enough, apparently, for you to "know" that people with different beliefs from you ~ like me ~ have "a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective" as opposed to your?
I'd be interested to hear if this kind of 'debating' has been successful for you in the propagation of your beliefs these last four years.
If you define “successful” as my debate opponents resorting to insults, personal attacks, misrepresentation of my beliefs and other forms of trolling, I’d say it’s been quite successful over the past four years.
Originally posted by @fmfI actually had checked. It’s a few pages earlier and your response was to a post I had written.
No, it was not in response to one of your posts. You have got it wrong. It was in response to one of someone else's posts.
Originally posted by @romans1009In your posts you have been deflecting by talking about my supposed "medical issues" etc. That aside, I am talking about your "a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective" argument (for want of a better word) deployed in support of your personal religious beliefs; has it worked for you as a 'debating point'?
If you define “successful” as my debate opponents resorting to insults, personal attacks, misrepresentation of my beliefs and other forms of trolling, I’d say it’s been quite successful over the past four years.
Originally posted by @romans1009You're making a bit of a fool of yourself here. The post you are replying to here was addressed to JS357. It's completely satirical. How can you possibly think it requires a pompous answer from you? 😀
We decide if we accept God’s gift of salvation; God doesn’t decide for us.
God gave us free will to choose how we want to live and whether we want to believe in Him or not.
We can hardly blame God for our decisions.
Originally posted by @romans1009Praise the Lord !!
No idea but I doubt it. While I always believed in God’s existence, I only came to believe Jesus Christ was God in the flesh about four years ago.
Can't wait to hear a little about how it happened.
I knew God very young. Then I took a backsliding journey supposing that that naive stage of my life was all over.
By His mercy and grace I awoke from this extended time of spiritual amnesia in my early college years. This time though I saw what I did not see too clearly before - Jesus is God.
That's the short version.
But between about age 13 through 20 I gradually "blacked out" on the living God and forgot that God was a "Person" - for lack of any better human language expression.
He graciously brought me back to Himself. I think I know who was doing some praying for me. It was a old woman whose grass I use to cut after highschool once a week.
This was in the late sixties.
You know what I mean perhaps.
Originally posted by @romans1009How far into those four years had you got when you decided to declare yourself to be irrevocably "saved"?
No idea but I doubt it. While I always believed in God’s existence, I only came to believe Jesus Christ was God in the flesh about four years ago.
Originally posted by @fmfWe also already went over this. I said enough evidence exists for Jesus Christ’s divinity (the bedrock belief of Christianity) that one with a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective could accept that.
And what I am saying is that perhaps you settling for the Christian doctrine package might be a result of the finite mind and limited understanding and perspective you are admitting you have. In other words, if my beliefs can be attributed to a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective, then your beliefs can be attributed to your finite mind and limited understanding and perspective too.
I also previously said reviewing the evidence and coming to a conclusion about it was much easier and more possible than trying to know all the ways of an omniscient, eternal and completely holy God.
Remember? Is this ringing any bells?
Originally posted by @fmfYou’re either mistaken or lying as it was in response to a post of mine so I naturally figured it was addressed to me.
You're making a bit of a fool of yourself here. The post you are replying to here was addressed to JS357. It's completely satirical. How can you possibly think it requires a pompous answer from you? 😀
Originally posted by @romans1009This assertion you are making about there being enough evidence exists for Jesus Christ’s divinity can perhaps be attributed to the finite mind and limited understanding and perspective that you are admitting you have and might be just as wrong as what my mind believes and what a Hindu's mind believes. Your "finite mind and limited understanding and perspective" thing is a weak point to be making. Perhaps it's more suited to preaching to the choir.
We also already went over this. I said enough evidence exists for Jesus Christ’s divinity (the bedrock belief of Christianity) that one with a finite mind and limited understanding and perspective could accept that.
Originally posted by @romans1009What a strange manifestation of your pride. I was talking to JS357.
You’re either mistaken or lying as it was in response to a post of mine so I naturally figured it was addressed to me.
Originally posted by @sonshipThanks for sharing that! I think we all have peaks and valleys in our walk with the Lord. Would love to share my testimony with you but it’s kind of lengthy. Can I pm you?
Praise the Lord !!
Can't wait to hear a little about how it happened.
I knew God very young. Then I took a backsliding journey supposing that that naive stage of my life was all over.
By His mercy and grace I awoke from this extended time of spiritual amnesia in my early college years. This time though I saw what I did not see too clearly before - J ...[text shortened]... t after highschool once a week.
This was in the late sixties.
You know what I mean perhaps.
Originally posted by @fmfI’m just not big on people who deliberately tell falsehoods. But I’m not going to debate something this silly and easily any longer as it can easily be checked.
What a strange manifestation of your pride. I was talking to JS357.