Xians: Does anyone exist who has never sinned?

Originally posted by TheSkipper
Argh!

You just said the desire to sin [b]is sin!

Look, when you go ask your pastor or theology professor (or whomever you look up to theologically) here is what you need to have him or her explain.

Tell him/her that you met this guy on RHP whose theology is thus:

If God is holding me accountable for the sin of Adam by cursing him an ...[text shortened]... hat the magic book is wrong could lead to all sorts of realities you are likely unprepared for.[/b]

lol, 😉

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Well, Israelites could. The rest weren't told how to do it properly.

Adam and Eve both knew how to sacrifice. this was passed onto Cain and Abel who then passed on the knowledge as well. it is also in the Bible that God reveals himself to everyone. he would also reveal the need for sacrifices as well.

Originally posted by awalt08
Adam and Eve both knew how to sacrifice. this was passed onto Cain and Abel who then passed on the knowledge as well. it is also in the Bible that God reveals himself to everyone. he would also reveal the need for sacrifices as well.

I wonder how much of the Bible you've actually read.

From Exodus on, the Old Testament is focused on the Israelites. They got the ten commandments. They got the ark of the covenant. They got the priests and all the laws on how to sacrifice animals.

Other cultures and peoples were labeled 'idolatrous' or 'wicked', and killed by the thousands. Your claim that God distributed knowledge equally to all cultures is bunk.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
They got the priests and all the laws on how to sacrifice animals.

i just explained how this knowledge was already shared.

Originally posted by awalt08
your personality does not cause you to make mistakes. a personality cannot be flawed, it cannot be perfect. it just is what it is.

If your personality does not cause you to make mistakes, then what
caused Adam and Eve to make mistakes?

Where did it come from? It came from God, who created them.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
If your personality does not cause you to make mistakes, then what
caused Adam and Eve to make mistakes?

Where did it come from? It came from God, who created them.

Nemesio

It came from a subtle and crafty serpent....

Originally posted by awalt08
i just explained how this knowledge was already shared.

But the bible doesn't back you up.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
It came from a subtle and crafty serpent....

The serpent is ultimately a creation of God.

The inclination to accept the advice of the serpent was ultimately a
creation of God.

Had God created individuals capable of following ONE (of two) SIMPLE
COMMAND(s), then none of this would have happened.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
The serpent is ultimately a creation of God.

The inclination to accept the advice of the serpent was ultimately a
creation of God.

Had God created individuals capable of following ONE (of two) SIMPLE
COMMAND(s), then none of this would have happened.

Nemesio

Man does this with machines. They perform as we expect. When God created man, He took a gamble. He gave them the choice to love and/or hate. He did not want a machine, programmed to do what He wants. He wanted us to love and obey by our own free will.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Man does this with machines. They perform as we expect. When God created man, He took a gamble. He gave them the choice to love and/or hate. He did not want a machine, programmed to do what He wants. He wanted us to love and obey by our own free will.

Is it gambling if you know the results in advance?

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Is it gambling if you know the results in advance?

Good point, He knew some would and some would not love Him...

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Man does this with machines. They perform as we expect. When God created man, He took a gamble. He gave them the choice to love and/or hate. He did not want a machine, programmed to do what He wants. He wanted us to love and obey by our own free will.

Was Jesus a machine? Did He not have free will? But He didn't sin, right?

So, God didn't know what was going to happen? He 'gambled?!'

God couldn't have made us with a disposition to ignore serpents? That
would have removed our free will?

Do you think that Adam was created without any sin predisposition at all
(an inclination to sin or an inclination to avoid sin)?

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
How can 'before' be a figure of speech to mean 'after?'

Nemesio

Missed your answer to this...

Originally posted by Nemesio
Was Jesus a machine? Did He not have free will? But He didn't sin, right?

So, God didn't know what was going to happen? He 'gambled?!'

God couldn't have made us with a disposition to ignore serpents? That
would have removed our free will?

Do you think that Adam was created without any sin predisposition at all
(an inclination to sin or an inclination to avoid sin)?

Nemesio

No, Jesus was not a machine and He had free will. Right, He did not sin, unlike the first Adam.
I already admitted my error about gambling in the post above...😕

God had to let us see both sides in order to choose. Adam was made without sin, but he had the choice. So was Jesus, but Jesus made the right choice.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
God had to let us see both sides in order to choose. Adam was made without sin, but he had the choice. So was Jesus, but Jesus made the right choice.

So, did Jesus not sin just based on chance? Or did He have a natural
predisposition not to sin (a better understanding of God, a clearer sense
of right and wrong, &c)?

Nemesio