Originally posted by chaney3Unless you believe the Christian mythology about the "virgin birth" (cf: numerous other "virgin birth" mythologies in other religions), then the Y chromosome came from whichever man inseminated his mother - which may have been someone called Joseph. It's a matter of basic human biology.
Where did the required Y chromosome come from in the conception of Jesus, which comes from the human father?
Originally posted by FMFI am not aware of how religious scholars, or the Bible deal with this 'problem' regarding the immaculate conception.
Unless you believe the Christian mythology about the "virgin birth" (cf: numerous other "virgin birth" mythologies in other religions), then the Y chromosome came from whichever man inseminated his mother - which may have been someone called Joseph. It's a matter of basic human biology.
It can also be assumed that the writers of the New Testament had no clue about the necessity of the Y chromosome.
Originally posted by chaney3It is believed that Mary conceived Jesus, although she was a virgin, through the agency of the Holy Spirit. It is said to have been a miracle. Miracles are exempt from natural or scientific laws. There goes any technical concern about the Y Chromosome. I don't believe for one minute that you did not know this. It'll be interesting to see what it is you will pretend you want to discuss.
I chose this option instead.
That okay with you?
Originally posted by FMFThe miracle does not explain how Jesus received the necessary Y chromosome.
It is believed that Mary conceived Jesus, although she was a virgin, through the agency of the Holy Spirit. It is said to have been a miracle. Miracles are exempt from natural or scientific laws. There goes any technical concern about the Y Chromosome. I don't believe for one minute that you did not know this. It'll be interesting to see what it is you will pretend you want to discuss.
Originally posted by FMFOkay.
Humans are exempt from natural or scientific laws if they are involved in miracles.
So then are you implying that God somehow supplied the Y chromosome in the miracle?
Because at the time the NT was written, they were not aware of this requirement.
Originally posted by chaney3What people were or were not aware of at the time the NT was written is neither here nor there. Those who believe in miracles believe that natural or scientific laws are bypassed by miracles.
Okay.
So then are you implying that God somehow supplied the Y chromosome in the miracle?
Because at the time the NT was written, they were not aware of this requirement.
Originally posted by chaney3Answer:
Where did the required Y chromosome come from in the conception of Jesus, which comes from the human father?
Either...
[1] Jesus' father was a human, and Jesus was born a human male, or
[2] Jesus' conception, without the agency of a human father, was a miracle, and he was born a human male.
What do you want to discuss?
Originally posted by FMFYour option #1 poses quite a problem for Christianity.
Answer:
Either...
[1] Jesus' father was a human, and Jesus was born a human male, or
[2] Jesus' conception, without the agency of a human father, was a miracle, and he was born a human male.
What do you want to discuss?
If you put your arrogant, smug attitude to the side, we can discuss further.