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Originally posted by @romans1009sonship recently condemned Rajk999 for engaging in "demonic activity" and for "being used by demons to discourage Christians". In other words, sonship disagreed with Rajk999 over theology. Assuming you agree with sonship, would that qualify Rajk999, in your book, for being labelled a "God hater"?
Go back and check my answer. I don’t remember what I thread it was in but I responded less than 24 hours ago so it shouldn’t be hard to find
Originally posted by @romans1009So you are a cure for trolls like me? scofff!!
To paraphrase Sylvester Stallone in “Cobra,” trolls are the disease, and I’m the cure.
Originally posted by @romans1009you prefer nonsense. Answer one question honestly.
I prefer the water described in John chapter 4:
“Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw w ...[text shortened]... l give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.“
(John 4:5-14)
Originally posted by @romans1009no raj here
So a Christian can sin and still enter heaven? That’s not at all what the other poster (think his handle is raj) said and it was to him that I have addressed that question.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelDon't see how he can do that sir when his very existence is built on a deception.
you prefer nonsense. Answer one question honestly.
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Originally posted by @thinkofone
Jaywill, I've been advocating for the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry for a very long time. How can that reasonably be termed as "anti-christ religion"?
It is that, a teaching in some way certainly of the spirit of antichrist. I have been showing you this also for a long time.
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I understand that you believe in a very different gospel from the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. It is only "pointless" according to the gospel that you adhere to.
The fact that cannot answer straightforward questions about when Christ's ministry ended and what texts of the Gospels are perversions of the Gospel, strongly indicate ThinkOfOne's teaching is in the spirit of an antichrist.
I know you have some here who encourage you on.
And this is a public forum with no Christian "police" forbidding you to teach whatever you wish.
Regardless, I have no doubt that perversion of the Gospel is in the spirit of an antichrist.
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ThinkOfOne presents a gospel in the spirit of an antichrist.
Some people think "antichrist" means "against Christ". That it is against Christ is true certainly. But more accurately it means "instead of Christ". Ie. to teach a Christ Who did not rise from the dead or Who is not God incarnate is a teaching of "another Jesus" and is a teaching of "INSTEAD" of the Christ of the Bible.
ThinkOfOne, you yourself announce that you intend to do so in euphemistic terms like "Jesus while He walked on earth". Don't think some Christians will not notice that you are saying by this that false MYTHS is contained in the New Testament.
... an antichrist gospel.
The Apostle Peter says they did not follow cleverly devised myths in testifying about Jesus Christ.
" For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we became eyewitnesses of that One's majesty, " ( 2 Peter 1:17)
Try asking ThinkOfOne about the transfiguration of Jesus when a majestic voice supernaturally spoke "This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I have found My delight." (See Matt. 17:1-8)[/b]
I am pretty sure ToO will consider this NOT a part of "the gospel Jesus preached while He walked the earth". In other words it is a cleverly devised myth.
Getting him to SAY that though, will be hard.
So his falsely and cleverly mythic Gospel is in the spirit of an antichrist.
It is not just a "gospel" to somehow deal with the degradation of Christianity. It is a "gospel" to contradict the Gospel of Christ. There are no kudos for him wanting to "fix" Christianity. with the spirit of an antichrist.
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Originally posted by @thinkofone
In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, Jesus says the same things over and over again - often in multiple ways.
Jesus makes it clear that His followers are to become righteous. In this regard He speaks in strict dichotomy. One is either righteous or one is not. There is no in-between. There is no half-righteous and half-not-righteous.
The process of the development of the kingdom of God is evident in His teaching.
"And He said, So is the kingdom of God: as if a man cast seed on the earth, And sleeps and rises night and day, and the seed sprouts and lengthens - how; he does not know.
The earth bears fruit by itself;
first a blade,
then an ear,
then full grain in the ear.
But when the fruit is ripe, immediately he sends forth the sickle, because the harvest has come." (Mark 4:26-29)
The kingdom of God is a matter of planting, growth, development, further growth and development, maturity and harvest.
While it is not wrong to say Christ spoke of dichotomy it is also evident that He taught God's kingdom grows gradually by process.
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1) One is either a "good tree" or a "bad tree". Ones fruit is either all "good" or all "bad". "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit."
But in the the making the tree good process is implied.
This requires some experience. Through history Christian men and women have what you lack - experience, to enlighten their understanding of the Scripture.
"Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt; for by the fruit that tree is known."
I think you lack experience of having the living resurrection Christ through His Spirit making His nature more and more and more spread into your sinful fallen personality.
How could you if you don't believe Jesus has a ministry for you today? How could you if you think His ministry ended in His death when He walked the earth?
At any rate, process and growth is indicated too in His kingdom. How else could there be graduations of level of fruit bearing from the word of the kingdom?
"But others fell on good earth and yielded fruit, one hundredfold, and one sixtyfold, and one thirtyfold." (Matt. 13:8)
Rather than strict dichotomy here we see increase of the influence of kingdom living.
2) One has been "born of the spirit" or one hasn't. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
Birth - is the commencement of life.
Birth - is not crossing the finish line but rather arriving at the starting point of the race.
3) One is either a "slave" or a "son". Everyone who commits sin is a "slave". Everyone else is a "son".
A SON, grows.
You lack experience. You come to the Bible only with your natural intelligence and some disbelief.
You should open up first to receive Christ to become a born child. Then you should go on to allow Christ to grow in you to be led by the Spirit to go from child to more mature son.
"The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are CHILDREN of God." (Rom. 8:16)
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are SONS of God." (v.14)
You should drop this antichrist Gospel of another Jesus who did not rise from the dead, and throw open your heart to RECEIVE the living Lord Jesus and be BORN again.
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Originally posted by @sonship
The Apostle Peter says they did not follow cleverly devised myths in testifying about Jesus Christ.[b] " For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we became eyewitnesses of that One's majesty, " ( 2 Peter 1:17)
Try asking ThinkOfOne about the transfi ...[text shortened]... ist. There are no kudos for him wanting to "fix" Christianity. with the spirit of an antichrist.[/b]Think about it jaywill.
I've been advocating for the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry for a very long time. Yet you term it "anti-christ".
In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, He very specifically details the purpose for which He was annointed - in other words the purpose for which He is the Christ.
Take what he very specifically details the purpose for which He says He is the Christ and explain exactly how advocating for the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is " "instead of Christ" or even "against Christ" for that matter. In other word how exactly is that "antichrist"?
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Originally posted by @sonshipJaywill read the entirety of what I wrote:
1) One is either a "good tree" or a "bad tree". Ones fruit is either all "good" or all "bad". "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit."
But in the the making the tree good process is implied.
This requires some experience. Through history Christian men and women have what you lack - [b]experience ...[text shortened]... ise from the dead, and throw open your heart to RECEIVE the living Lord Jesus and be BORN again.
In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, Jesus says the same things over and over again - often in multiple ways.
Jesus makes it clear that His followers are to become righteous. In this regard He speaks in strict dichotomy. One is either righteous or one is not. There is no in-between. There is no half-righteous and half-not-righteous.
1) One is either a "good tree" or a "bad tree". Ones fruit is either all "good" or all "bad". "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit."
2) One has been "born of the spirit" or one hasn't. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
3) One is either a "slave" or a "son". Everyone who commits sin is a "slave". Everyone else is a "son".
“No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other."
One is either righteous or one is not. One who is righteous no longer commits sin.
Only those who no longer commit sin bear "good fruit".
Only those who no longer commit sin are "born again".
Only those who no longer commit sin are a "son" who "remains in the house forever".
Only those who no longer commit sin have "eternal life".
Only those who no longer commit sin "live in the kingdom".
Only those who no longer commit sin are "true disciples".
Naturally there is a transformation from not righteous to righteous, but the only thing that really counts is whether or not the transformation is completed.
Read the last sentence. The one in BOLD. Your last couple of post completely ignore what that sentence says. Your assertion that what I wrote doesn't account for transformation being a process is clearly not true.
This is what you do. You take sentences out of context and in doing so, misunderstand what is being said. You don't see the entire picture. You do this with scripture as well. By doing this, you have eyes but cannot see.
In this case, you not only misunderstood what I wrote, you also mischaracterized what I was saying.
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelRomans1009 is an example of a Christian who hates truth.
no raj here
Even after Rajk999 clearly refuted the accusations made of him by Romans1009, Romans1009 continues mischaracterizing what Rajk999 actually wrote. Evidently the truth of the matter has no significance for him. He believes it true, so the facts don't matter.
Romans1009, like many other Christians, seems to think that simply because he believes something, it is true. Can't help but wonder if the whole "salvation by faith alone" doctrine is the genesis of this. Their entire belief system has "faith", aka "belief", as the foundation. As such, it is the basis of how they perceive and process the world.