Your tooth fairy not mine

@kellyjay said
"Oh, but you don’t believe in gravity, do you ?"

You must read Dive's writing, why would you say such a thing? Can you give me a reason for such a statement from something I said? I have said that we know about gravity's effects, but we do not know what it is. Exactly how do you translate that into not believing in gravity? I have said that science shows us nothing but ...[text shortened]... h of it all belongs to God. You cannot justify any other narrative only throw out possible denials.

Here I can't say that I disagree with much, and have to speak out again my own club members... may they forgive me!

In high school, in my physics class, another student was bold enough to ask the teacher to show the class what gravity looked like. The next day the teacher brought to class one those home pickling containers, a mason jar, and presented it to the class. This, he said, is what gravity looks like, in jar of faith. And then, after a moment of silence, I said, by it's empty? The teacher, laughing, said, that is a good observation of gravity! Because, he added, gravity is an invisible force. it's effects can be observed by the keen eye, but to actually see gravity itself we have to go into the Singularity, from whence it came. I answered the teacher with some reservations, and said, I guess gravity is like the wind, because we know where it comes from, but cannot tell where it goes, since we can't see it. The teacher again laughed, and said to me, take up meteorology.....I said, I'm already reading Aristotle in my humanity class, and then I belched and farted to subliminally confirm my knowledge on wind formation and its source, as it was an afternoon class, and I had had chili con carne and beans, for lunch in the school cafeteria. I had a valid and spirited alibi for my farting around with gravity. Seems that gravity has little effect on gaseous matter, as it permeated the entire room...it was winter and the windows closed to also prevent heat from escaping. But the whole class got a big bang out it...as they imitated the inflation theory as they all ran out of the room as fast as they could, at the sound of the bell....luckily it all happened just before the class was due to let out....a blessed coincidence for many!

@pettytalk said
Here I can't say that I disagree with much, and have to speak out again my own club members... may they forgive me!

In high school, in my physics class, another student was bold enough to ask the teacher to show the class what gravity looked like. The next day the teacher brought to class one those home pickling containers, a mason jar, and presented it to the class. Th ...[text shortened]... .luckily it all happened just before the class was due to let out....a blessed coincidence for many!

Every time I communicate with Kelly my head falls into my hands, simultaneously proving the existence of gravity.

@kellyjay said
Truth is real and we can know it, this is a true statement. To say truth isn’t real and we can not know it is a truth statement that contradicts itself.

The truth of what the air temperature is here at this moment, as I sit at a mahogany table on my terrace a short while after daybreak, is "a truth we can know". And so on and so forth. As for supernatural things, we can only speculate, and no amount of declaring "Truth is real and we can know it" will ever disguise the subjectivity of the claims you make. That I have a mahogany table on my terrace is another truth that is real we can know.

@pettytalk said
Here I can't say that I disagree with much, and have to speak out again my own club members... may they forgive me!

In high school, in my physics class, another student was bold enough to ask the teacher to show the class what gravity looked like. The next day the teacher brought to class one those home pickling containers, a mason jar, and presented it to the class. Th ...[text shortened]... .luckily it all happened just before the class was due to let out....a blessed coincidence for many!

As I said effects we can see, what is it, that is another question.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
This is a truth statement you simply can't make. You believing it to be true doesn't make it so. That is the bottom line.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

You would be the first to object if I asserted that everything comes from an eternal universe and that was the bottom line and that you cannot justify any other narrative only throw out possible denials.

Edit: I really wish you would take time to fully ponder and absorb that last sentence.

If you presented some reason, then we would be reasoning together, simply saying no, that isn't reasoning that is telling me what you think without explanation.

@kellyjay said
As I said effects we can see, what is it, that is another question.

Who is it who told you that we don't know what gravity is? Was it your pastor?

@pettytalk said
Well, I also disagree to your disagreement. I did a lot to find God, as I picked the shortest straw from a stack, and it was my lot to go and find God. You may not agree, but I really did reach out and found God, the Father.

I found Him in Plato, as Good as gold; I have a nose for these things, as I'm a Golden Retriever. God gave me a BIG smile and a lollipop to lick on ...[text shortened]... t other dog, the three-headed Cerberus, is the one guarding the exit from the underworld. Go figure!

Well, I do believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are one God. God is one, from the Book of Deuteronomy we see God is one, there is no shadow of turning in God He changes not. He is true to His nature and being at all times, and everything He does is done in righteousness which is how everything will be judged.

You are correct in assuming what you are talking about is not what I'm talking about concerning God, I am not sure why you say you found "God, the Father" while denying the only begotten Son in the Trinity, but that is your god, not mine.

Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Matthew 28:18-20
English Standard Version
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Every time I communicate with Kelly my head falls into my hands, simultaneously proving the existence of gravity.

I'm not an expert on physics but it was my impression that it was the body with greater mass which pulled down another body with less mass to itself? Apparently your hands would weigh more in all the communications with Kelly than your head.

But we must keep in our head that all honest and well educated Christians have good intentions, and which also allow science to have its share, in a matter of speaking. To Kelly, whether an apple falls from a tree, or it's picked off the tree in the garden, it's all relative to God, and he sees the gravity for the existence of God.

@pettytalk said
I'm not an expert on physics but it was my impression that it was the body with greater mass which pulled down another body with less mass to itself? Apparently your hands would weigh more in all the communications with Kelly than your head.

But we must keep in our head that all honest and well educated Christians have good intentions, and which also allow science to h ...[text shortened]... the tree in the garden, it's all relative to God, and he sees the gravity for the existence of God.

The problem with religion is when it fails to embrace scientific certainties and clings on to religious impossibilities, such as the first man and women being created in a garden several thousand years ago, as opposed to evolving over millions of years on an impressively old planet.

@kellyjay said
Well, I do believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are one God. God is one, from the Book of Deuteronomy we see God is one, there is no shadow of turning in God He changes not. He is true to His nature and being at all times, and everything He does is done in righteousness which is how everything will be judged.

You are correct in assuming what you are talking ab ...[text shortened]... to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

My head too, is starting to fall into my hands.

I can't forcefully put anything into your head, as it's full of misunderstandings and self contradictions. First you must be purified. You must be purged of all that nonsense which theologians must have put into your head, to make room for all the things which may do you some good.

But do tell me this first. How were you made to believe to know this God of ours so well? You said that it has to be God who reaches down to us to let us know him. Has God reached down to you and exposed his very unchanging self to you?

"He changes not." But is not the very act of taking on a human form, a form of change? Surely that's a visible change.

@pettytalk said
My head too, is starting to fall into my hands.

Aha! Gravity at work!

@pettytalk said
I'm not an expert on physics but it was my impression that it was the body with greater mass which pulled down another body with less mass to itself? Apparently your hands would weigh more in all the communications with Kelly than your head.

But we must keep in our head that all honest and well educated Christians have good intentions, and which also allow science to h ...[text shortened]... the tree in the garden, it's all relative to God, and he sees the gravity for the existence of God.

We know what the effect does but we don’t know what it is.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The problem with religion is when it fails to embrace scientific certainties and clings on to religious impossibilities, such as the first man and women being created in a garden several thousand years ago, as opposed to evolving over millions of years on an impressively old planet.

I'm with you, there too. And that's where the intellectual comes in into the picture. The picture of an allegory, the story of Adam and Eve. I have heard that the Bible is not a sole source for the story, and which has to be kept in mind also when discussing religions in general. And we also pretty much know that truth is singular.

And of lately we are also noting some of the top heads of Christianity are trying to gently embrace science, and bring it in into their own religiously depicted picture of God.