Originally posted by @secondsonPlease do not misunderstand what I'm trying to say.
"I strongly believe that you can make yourself unsaved".
What did you [b]do to make yourself saved? How then can you do something to make yourself unsaved?
Just asking.[/b]
Say you're saved, but keep on doing wicked things, living a sinful way on purpose. Would you say you're still saved or have you become unsaved again?
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Originally posted by @secondsonLook if I'm wrong to believe in the statement "once saved always saved" then I'm wrong, but I do believe saved means saved from eternal suffering and save in Gods hands. But I do think that God is sovereign and true and just, if you take God for granted or mock God, and continue living a sinful life on purpose, He will let you go.
"I strongly believe that you can make yourself unsaved".
What did you [b]do to make yourself saved? How then can you do something to make yourself unsaved?
Just asking.[/b]
Or not?
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Originally posted by @nickstenSometimes people adopt a doctrine as part of their beliefs which superficially makes sense. However if they put it under the light of truth, they begin to see the flaws.
I get what you're saying, and maybe its difficult for me to grasp it that quickly and easily.
Look, I believe that once you're saved you're saved BUT that doesn't mean you can now live in sinful/wicked ways "cause you're save". I strongly believe that you can make yourself unsaved.
In my previous post I said the statement is false yet here I'm saying ...[text shortened]... ter how an evil of a person you become, you're always saved and that is foolish to believe that.
"Once Saved Always Saved" is one such doctrine.
From what you've written here, it seems like you are now on the fence on this one. Perhaps you need to spend more time deciding whether or not you should have adopted this doctrine in the first place.
Of course, what you quoted from Ezekiel 18 combined with what I quoted from John 8, Matthew 16 and John 5 show that the requirement for eternal life entails that one no longer commits sin. I imagine that this probably also runs contrary to doctrine you have adopted. Perhaps you should put this under the light of truth as well.
Originally posted by @thinkofone<<Of course, what you quoted from Ezekiel 18 combined with what I quoted from John 8, Matthew 16 and John 5 show that the requirement for eternal life entails that one no longer commits sin.>>
Sometimes people adopt a doctrine as part of their beliefs which superficially makes sense. However if they put it under the light of truth, they begin to see the flaws.
"Once Saved Always Saved" is one such doctrine.
From what you've written here, it seems like you are now on the fence on this one. Perhaps you need to spend more time deciding wh ...[text shortened]... rary to doctrine you have adopted. Perhaps you should put this under the light of truth as well.
So you maintain that after one accepts Christ, he or she cannot commit a single sin and maintain his or her salvation?
And I assume you’re aware that sins include coveting, bearing false witness (lying,) being angry with someone and looking on a woman with lust in one’s heart.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneAgreed - I still have much to learn and what was taught to me as a young child has obviously sticked. Finding the truth is hard as people have personal views which contradicts with what is given in the Bible - but that is another argument for me - maybe even a doctrine I am battling to fight. I don't know.
Sometimes people adopt a doctrine as part of their beliefs which superficially makes sense. However if they put it under the light of truth, they begin to see the flaws.
"Once Saved Always Saved" is one such doctrine.
From what you've written here, it seems like you are now on the fence on this one. Perhaps you need to spend more time deciding wh ...[text shortened]... rary to doctrine you have adopted. Perhaps you should put this under the light of truth as well.
Thanks for your post.
Originally posted by @nickstenFinding the truth is easy pal.
Agreed - I still have much to learn and what was taught to me as a young child has obviously sticked. Finding the truth is hard as people have personal views which contradicts with what is given in the Bible - but that is another argument for me - maybe even a doctrine I am battling to fight. I don't know.
Thanks for your post.
Jesus said so.
If you believe Jesus Christ then do as he commanded.
If you are allowing people to confuse you then you are not listening to Jesus.
Originally posted by @nickstenNo worry nicksten, I understand what you're saying. I believe that if a person claims to be a believer, but continues to live an habitually sinful life style, like in adultery, that person may not be saved in the first place.
Please do not misunderstand what I'm trying to say.
Say you're saved, but keep on doing wicked things, living a sinful way on purpose. Would you say you're still saved or have you become unsaved again?
On the other hand, once one has been born again and sealed by the Spirit of God they will never be unsealed or unborn again.
But they stand to lose any reward. Concider 1 Corinthians 3. Verse 15 in particular.
Originally posted by @secondsonAnother one .. 😀
No worry nicksten, I understand what you're saying. I believe that if a person claims to be a believer, but continues to live an habitually sinful life style, like in adultery, that person may not be saved in the first place.
On the other hand, once one has been born again and sealed by the Spirit of God they will never be unsealed or unborn again.
But they stand to lose any reward. Concider 1 Corinthians 3. Verse 15 in particular.
You have a reference for this ..once one has been born again and sealed by the Spirit of God they will never be unsealed or unborn again.?
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Originally posted by @rajk999Do you have a reference to the contrary?
Another one .. 😀
You have a reference for this ..once one has been born again and sealed by the Spirit of God they will never be unsealed or unborn again.?
Unfortunately for you, you don't fully understand the gospel of the grace of God. The law, which you apparently live under says that if you fail to keep the law you're dead, but grace is much more demanding. Grace says if you fall, then get back up and get going again.
Jesus died for all our sins. Past, present and future. Once one is born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit they have a complete salvation, and will never lose it.
When God saves He saves completely. It's a finished product.
Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Originally posted by @secondsonI could not have said that better - I'm beginning to understand the saying when God said "They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand".
On the other hand, once one has been born again and sealed by the Spirit of God they will never be unsealed or unborn again.
But they stand to lose any reward. Concider 1 Corinthians 3. Verse 15 in particular.
The verse you've given makes so much sense - thanks. Opening up things I never even thought of. Its awesome.
Originally posted by @nickstenGlad to be of service.
I could not have said that better - I'm beginning to understand the saying when God said "They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand".
The verse you've given makes so much sense - thanks. Opening up things I never even thought of. Its awesome.
You can read the various posters here and make an informed decision about the truth of the gospel even though some of us vehemently disagree on essential points of doctrine.
Remember what Jesus said. "My sheep hear my voice". Let The Word speak for itself.