Originally posted by jalajaleWhat time limit do you think a normal person would consider reasonable to move in, in a 21/21 tournament?
My friend, you are getting a bit too much into reverse psychology issues. I am only saying that if someone delays play beyond what to a normal person (giving as much as leeway as sensible) considers reasonable, one has the right to complain. You would be amazed at the power of simply raising your voice. People generally react.
Every day, 3 days, 5 days, 10 days, 14 days, 20 days?
If someone tried to hurry me up then I would put that game on the back burner and move at the last possible time.
Originally posted by jalajaleIt is clearly in the rules to take every last second of your time for every move, it maybe annoying... I had one game like that recently but I did not complain as it is perfectly within the rules.
My friend, you are getting a bit too much into reverse psychology issues. I am only saying that if someone delays play beyond what to a normal person (giving as much as leeway as sensible) considers reasonable, one has the right to complain. You would be amazed at the power of simply raising your voice. People generally react.
Originally posted by adramforallDid you know that some groups in Tournament 2602 are finished, so in effect you are holding up later rounds by playing so slow 😛[/b]
[b]Here is the oldest in progress tournie Tournament 27 which started way back in May 2003 😲
Heng cut his gameload in half!! He had over 1600 in progress at one time.
Also the time controls of the tournaments dictate the speed of play.
THAT is not true! Until a group is the LAST group still in play it is incorrect to say anyone else is holding up play!
Originally posted by Pigface1It may be "Within the rules" but when ONE game has held up a tournament for over a month, it IS NOT reasonable! It is an example of a selfish pig! And Mr. Heng's statement to "Just let him know when you want him to move" is so backwards in responsibility, it's laughable! If Mr. Heng will NOT keep track of his OWN tounament games he should be banned from future tournaments!!
It is clearly in the rules to take every last second of your time for every move, it maybe annoying... I had one game like that recently but I did not complain as it is perfectly within the rules.
Originally posted by Gary ThomasMaybe you should just stop entering tournaments if you are not happy with others players playing at a slower speed than you desire.
It may be "Within the rules" but when ONE game has held up a tournament for over a month, it IS NOT reasonable! It is an example of a selfish pig! And Mr. Heng's statement to "Just let him know when you want him to move" is so backwards in responsibility, it's laughable! If Mr. Heng will NOT keep track of his OWN tounament games he should be banned from future tournaments!!
The only selfish person here is yourself, trying to rush a player into making moves.
You are in effect harassing the player in question, and harassment is against the TOS, see section 3c
http://www.redhotpawn.com/myhome/termsofservice.php
and a bannable offense.
If you need to see how many people have been banned under 3c then take a look at this list
http://www.redhotpawn.com/comhub/removedplayers.php
Maybe you should take heed, and go and play some games elsewhere. The next round of the rournamnt will start when Mr Heng finishes his games, whether that be today, tomorrow or in 6 months time.
Yes and that's too bad! I've already taken your advice and will NEVER enter another so-called tournament on this site! As long as this site allows SELFISH (and yes, that's the correct word for someone who holds up an entire section of players for a month after everyone else is done!) players to carry on for YEARS as has been shown to be true, the tournaments don't mean anything anyway!
It's really amazing to me that apparently I'm one of very few people that think Mr. Heng's answer is so backwards in assigning responsibility to his fellow players that they need to NOTIFY him when he's holding everyone up??? I believe that's part of YOUR responsibility when you sign up for a tournament!! And I don't CARE how many games you have going on! If you cannot or WILL not keep track of games such as clan or tournament games where others are depending on you to do so, then simply don't enter them!!
And if you want ME banned then simply ask if a respectful answer to YOUR tirade against ME qualifies as "Flaming" and go for it!
Gary Thomas
Originally posted by Gary ThomasHeng will be timed out if he doesn't move in the agreed upon time. End of.
Yes and that's too bad! I've already taken your advice and will NEVER enter another so-called tournament on this site! As long as this site allows SELFISH (and yes, that's the correct word for someone who holds up an entire section of players for a month after everyone else is done!) players to carry on for YEARS as has been shown to be true, the tourn ...[text shortened]... answer to YOUR tirade against ME qualifies as "Flaming" and go for it!
Gary Thomas
If you don't understand how the time controls work in tournaments, maybe it is best that you have decided to stay away from them.
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I'll tell you what I don't understand! And that's how anyone who complains in these forums are immediately attacked, ridiculed, and even threatened with being banned!! I have no idea if the last two posters are associated with RHP or not! If they are then someone in authority needs to see if these threats ALSO violate 3C as the rules apply to the administrators the same as they do for members! If they're NOT associated with RHP then they need to make that clear in their little "sayings" next to their avatars! I, for one would enjoy someone in authority saying that my posts in a public forum is somehow "Harrasment" of a player who, until today I'd never heard of! If that's true then get rid of the forums as ANY complaint, no matter the reason is grounds for banning! The reasoning involved is ludicrous, and a sample of the same thinking that says that it's perfectly OK for a member of a tournament to tell his fellow players simply to NOTIFY HIM when they want him to move!! I have NEVER in forty-five years of playing chess heard something that unconscously irresponsible!
On the other hand if these posters are saying I'm harrasing THEM, then they may be correct! I have no control over what they think of my posts, but I have every right to post MY thoughts as they do theirs! THAT'S what a forum is for!
Gary Thomas
Originally posted by Gary ThomasI never said I wanted you banned. Just mentioned that your interpretation of Heng could be construed as harassment, which is not condoned
Yes and that's too bad! I've already taken your advice and will NEVER enter another so-called tournament on this site! As long as this site allows SELFISH (and yes, that's the correct word for someone who holds up an entire section of players for a month after everyone else is done!) players to carry on for YEARS as has been shown to be true, the tourn ...[text shortened]... answer to YOUR tirade against ME qualifies as "Flaming" and go for it!
Gary Thomas
You joined tournaments that have specific time limits.
The players within these tournaments have the right to take any amount of time to make their move up to that limit.
Lets say you join an Octet 7/7 tournament. Within the group of players is one who always takes 6-7 days to move but everyone else is a fast mover, moving daily. The fast movers all finish their games against each other. The only games ongoing are those involving the "slow" moving player.
Is he holding up the tournament?
You could argue that the minute any player finishes their games within a tournament that the other players are holding him up!!
It's really amazing to me that apparently I'm one of very few people that think Mr. Heng's answer is so backwards
With the sheer volume of games player by Heng does that not tell you something? It tells me that people know he is moving within the tournament limits. If he fails to move the opportunity to timeout will arise and then you take the timeout.
Originally posted by Gary ThomasHeng added this because people complained in the forums about his time management. If he received a PM asking him to move in a specific game, then he would.
...same thinking that says that it's perfectly OK for a member of a tournament to tell his fellow players simply to NOTIFY HIM when they want him to move!!
To me that is poor of the opponent who is dictating that his game is somehow more important that the other players that Heng is playing.
Originally posted by Gary ThomasIt unfortunately IS reasonable, if the time rules are 21/21 then you cannot complain about players using 21 days per move, it is simply am arrangement we ALL agree too before clicking "enter tournament".
It may be "Within the rules" but when ONE game has held up a tournament for over a month, it IS NOT reasonable! It is an example of a selfish pig! And Mr. Heng's statement to "Just let him know when you want him to move" is so backwards in responsibility, it's laughable! If Mr. Heng will NOT keep track of his OWN tounament games he should be banned from future tournaments!!
That is not to say I dpnt fully understand your frustration and wish myself that certain players wouldnt leave it to the last second for every move, but rules are rules and these players are playing within the rules, that is final fact \and totally correct, no amount of complaining or justification will change this, if you dont like it then only participate in tournaments with shorter time controls, like it or hate it, those who complain about timewasters have no real right to do so unless their opponents go over the alloted time, in which case you can time them out.
Originally posted by myqueensaslaaartThis is a matter of opinion. Some would say that a quick game is not a good game and that no timebank is ridiculous.
A QUICK GAME IS A GOOD GAME...14 DAYS TIMEBANK IS RIDICULOUS AND PROMOTES SLOW GAMES!! 😲
Edit - Sorry, I just re-read your post and realize that there may be a language problem. Please allow me to translate.
THIS IS A MATTER OF OPINION. SOME WOULD SAY THAT A QUICK GAME IS NOT A GOOD GAME AND THAT NO TIME BANK IS RIDICULOUS. 😉
Originally posted by adramforallWe are talking here about tournament play. It is easy to see if someone relative to the rest of the field is holding up the tournament. Say everybody else finished their games 2 months ago.
What time limit do you think a normal person would consider reasonable to move in, in a 21/21 tournament?
Every day, 3 days, 5 days, 10 days, 14 days, 20 days?
If someone tried to [b]hurry me up then I would put that game on the back burner and move at the last possible time.[/b]
It is just common sense together with sportsmanlike behavior. It ain't rocket science!!!