U.S. writers too insular, ignorant

U.S. writers too insular, ignorant

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Originally posted by Seitse
This is about literature, but perhaps this demonstrates how concentrated in themselves some Americans are:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/26/world/main530872.shtml

It is a misconception that the U.S. education system kicks ass. All the following countries' education systems are ranked ahead of the U.S.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Finland ([b ...[text shortened]... b... would you consider yourselves, culture-wise, representatives of the majority of Americans?
The Americans are better educated than the Dutch?

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Any writer attempting to get to grips with modern (ir)reality has to deal with the technologies, hard and soft, that define the possibilities of human existence today -- science fiction by default.

(A novel about a tennis player would be science fiction).

The only other operative genre currently is fantasy -- John Grisham being a prime example.
Well, if you put it that way, sci-fi could be anything.

Is "In the city of shy hunters" sci-fi for you? If no, is it worth reading?

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Originally posted by shavixmir
The Americans are better educated than the Dutch?
Don't change the focus of the thread. The focus is: Finland is on top*!

In your face!

😛

* Er... well... just below Koreans and Japanese.

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Originally posted by Palynka
But this only goes to show that the mainstream is insular. What about the rest?
Perhaps a ranking of reading levels of non-mainstream literature per country would help?

Without that, we're only speculating for the fun of it.

Which we are doing, of course. Isn't it fun?

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Originally posted by Seitse
Well, if you put it that way, sci-fi could be anything.

Is "In the city of shy hunters" sci-fi for you? If no, is it worth reading?
It's defined by a disease: definitely science fiction.

Compare science-fiction writer Samuel L. Delany's gay-coming-of-age book The Movement of Light on Water.

(My point really is that the only label that counts is 'fiction'.)

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
It's defined by a disease: definitely science fiction.

Compare science-fiction writer Samuel L. Delany's gay-coming-of-age book The Movement of Light on Water.

(My point really is that the only label that counts is 'fiction'.)
Yup, I get it, boundaries between genres are blurry and for you they should be demolished.

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Originally posted by Seitse
Yup, I get it, boundaries between genres are blurry and for you they should be demolished.
They just don't serve any purpose.

Is there any point to classifying the work of Nobel Laureate Jose Saramago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Saramago

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Is there any point to classifying the work of Nobel Laureate Jose Saramago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Saramago
Overrated? 😛

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Originally posted by Palynka
Overrated? 😛
I don't know, is he? I've only read one book, 'Baltasar & Blimunda', which I enjoyed very much. I didn't realise he was a Nobel Laureate until I browsed the Montreal webzine that Seitse put up in the Hipster Handbook thread ...

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I don't know, is he? I've only read one book, 'Baltasar & Blimunda', which I enjoyed very much. I didn't realise he was a Nobel Laureate until I browsed the Montreal webzine that Seitse put up in the Hipster Handbook thread ...
He's probably good, just not my cup of tea. Perhaps it's hard to be unbiased as I don't like his personality too much and sometimes in Portugal it seems as if he's the only living Portuguese author worth reading.

Edit: I remember you not being much of a Coetzee fan. Something similar?

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You too are ungrateful with the local authors that brought your piece of land fame and fortune.

Oh well, then again, I've never been an Octavio Paz nor a Mika Waltari fan.

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Originally posted by Palynka
He's probably good, just not my cup of tea. Perhaps it's hard to be unbiased as I don't like his personality too much and sometimes in Portugal it seems as if he's the only living Portuguese author worth reading.

Edit: I remember you not being much of a Coetzee fan. Something similar?
Probably.

What other living Portuguese authors are worth reading.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I don't know, is he? I've only read one book, 'Baltasar & Blimunda', which I enjoyed very much. I didn't realise he was a Nobel Laureate until I browsed the Montreal webzine that Seitse put up in the Hipster Handbook thread ...
I just realized that this is the Memorial do Convento. What a strange translation. 😕

It's actually the book I like the best from him.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Probably.

What other living Portuguese authors are worth reading.
Look, I know nothing.

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Originally posted by Palynka
Look, I know nothing.
I know exactly how you feel.

I would rip this mask off if it weren't so firmly fixed to my face.