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    14 Jul '18 06:072 edits
    And today's Fox headline: Is Rosenstein next to go? In large type, and in small type below, Russian officers indicted for allegedly hacking Clinton campaign and also noted:
    Not a single word about 3000 kids ripped from the arms of parents trying to escape gangs in central America.

    I guess the republican's don't know you need a 2/3 vote to actually pull of an impeachment besides the obvious distraction so-called tactics they are and have been using all along like the circus yesterday trying their best to besmirch Strzok and all the other BS they have been pulling.
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    14 Jul '18 07:31
    But Putin said the Russian government had nothing to do with meddling in U.S. elections! He wouldn't lie to Trump, now would he?
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    14 Jul '18 15:00
    13 Russians were already indicted in February. Is this for the same alleged hack or a different alleged hack?
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    14 Jul '18 16:04
    From the link below:

    “Anyone who controls a router would be able to redirect traffic for one or more selected targets or cause total disruption in the network by stopping the routing entirely,” said Jake Williams, a former National Security Agency cyber-operator and co-founder of Rendition Infosec, a cybersecurity firm.

    “Development of router malware is extremely costly, and Russia would likely use it only in locations where it contributes to accomplishing a high-value goal,” said Williams"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-spies-hacked-the-olympics-and-tried-to-make-it-look-like-north-korea-did-it-us-officials-say/2018/02/24/44b5468e-18f2-11e8-92c9-376b4fe57ff7_story.html?utm_term=.615ad2e8c933

    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "So, the "Russian hackers" made their arrow, shot it, hit the target and... no one cared. The people who devoutly believe in the Russian hacking story now have to explain (but don't) why the Russian state, apparently so determined to bring Clinton down, didn't immediately hit her with the Uranium One documents and anything else they had that could feed the flames of scandal.

    But, as we all know, they didn't. While long rumoured, and even briefly reported on, we only learned of Uranium One in a big way in October 2017 and the fact that her server contained Special Access material (the very highest classified secrets) was confirmed authoritatively only in November 2017. If the Russian had really had this sort of information and the hostility to Clinton that we're incessantly told that they had, two years earlier would have been the time.

    So, on the one hand we are supposed to believe that the Russian government is so clever that it can hack anything, has innumerable social media trolls that influence elections and referendums around the world ("control the American mind"😉, drives a "fake news" campaign at a fraction of the cost but with far greater effectiveness than the massed legions of the Western media, is a threat to practically everything we hold sacred... but is too stupid to get it right. Possessing great and powerful secrets and a stunningly powerful machine to spread them, it chooses to fire a damp squib too late to make any difference and passes up the chance to have a compromised US president for it to control."

    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/december/16/deconstructing-the-almighty-russian-hackers-myth/

    The Russian hack story is a conspiracy theory based on the assumption of an incompetent government in Russia. STUPID!
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    14 Jul '18 16:20
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    From the link below:

    “Anyone who controls a router would be able to redirect traffic for one or more selected targets or cause total disruption in the network by stopping the routing entirely,” said Jake Williams, a former National Security Agency cyber-operator and co-founder of Rendition Infosec, a cybersecurity firm.

    “Development of router malw ...[text shortened]... y is a conspiracy theory based on the assumption of an incompetent government in Russia. STUPID!
    A) The Uranium One story was brought out by the New York Times in 2015 and Trump talked about it incessantly on the campaign trail. It was a big fat zero;

    B) There is zero evidence the Russians or anyone else actually penetrated HRC's private servers, though they tried after Donald trump publicly asked them to on July 27, 2016.

    Your article is misinformed speculation.
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    14 Jul '18 17:53
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    A) The Uranium One story was brought out by the New York Times in 2015 and Trump talked about it incessantly on the campaign trail. It was a big fat zero;

    B) There is zero evidence the Russians or anyone else actually penetrated HRC's private servers, though they tried after Donald trump publicly asked them to on July 27, 2016.

    Your article is misinformed speculation.
    The Uranium One story was largely suppressed from the news media. There were mentions of it occasionally, but very little. Trump may have talked about it on the campaign trail, but the news media didn't mention it enough for widespread public awareness. People are aware of what they are fed by the news media, not what they rarely hear about.

    If HRC were president she would be under investigation for Uranium One. Russia would still be demonized and partisan bias would still be divided like it is now. You might want to consider the possibility the establishment rigged it so both candidates had Russia ties in one way or another.

    How do you know it was Russia that tried? I already established that our government alleges Russia tried a false flag thing using North Korea for blame. Maybe it was China making it look like it was Russia. Maybe it was the CIA making it look like Russia. Heck, maybe it was the CIA making it look like China making it look like it was the North Koreans, making it look like the Russians, etc.

    If that sounds confusing then good! You should be. Now maybe you should ask why we don't see any computer hacking experts debating this on the news media. They will not have any on the news because they want people to remain ignorant about this. It is kind of like Balbina Hwaung on the PBS News Hour. Her opinion is all you are allowed to hear about North Korea. No debates are allowed!
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    14 Jul '18 18:32
    Kevin Mitnick, Matthew Bevan, Richard Pryce and Kevin Poulsen are all talented hackers. Why no interest in their opinions by the corporate news media?
    ASTRA has not even been identified. I wonder who that genius is working for now.
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    14 Jul '18 19:40
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    And today's Fox headline: Is Rosenstein next to go? In large type, and in small type below, Russian officers indicted for allegedly hacking Clinton campaign and also noted:
    Not a single word about 3000 kids ripped from the arms of parents trying to escape gangs in central America.

    I guess the republican's don't know you need a 2/3 vote to actually pul ...[text shortened]... rcus yesterday trying their best to besmirch Strzok and all the other BS they have been pulling.
    The original FISA warrant was to go after Carter Paige and these indictments went after Russians.

    Funny, Trump was never the focus of the investigation?

    Hilarious! 😵
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    14 Jul '18 22:32
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    The Uranium One story was largely suppressed from the news media. There were mentions of it occasionally, but very little. Trump may have talked about it on the campaign trail, but the news media didn't mention it enough for widespread public awareness. People are aware of what they are fed by the news media, not what they rarely hear about.

    If HRC w ...[text shortened]... News Hour. Her opinion is all you are allowed to hear about North Korea. No debates are allowed!
    Here's how we know the GRU hacked into Podesta's e-mail account:

    Based on the public record and the new information in the indictment, here is what we now know happened leading up to the hack and release of John Podesta’s emails.

    On March 19, 2016, Podesta received a spearphishing email, ostensibly from Google but actually from the GRU. We knew this even before Friday’s indictment, ironically, because Wikileaks published all of John Podesta’s stolen emails, including the spearphishing email itself. The indictment names GRU officer Aleksey Lukashev as the sender, but the email itself and its public attribution to the GRU are not new. From the phishing email in the Wikileaks archive, we are able to reconstruct what the spearphishing email looked like and the actions taken by Podesta that resulted in his emails dominating headlines in the final few weeks of the 2016 election campaign.

    John Podesta spearphishing email (reconstruction)

    Although this email was carefully crafted by Russian intelligence officers to look authentic, this email did not come from Google; there had been no genuine attempt to log in to Podesta’s email from Ukraine, and the link on “Change Password” led to a website operated by the GRU. Steps taken with this email include tricks like constructing the text “Someone has your password” using non-English variants of the letter “o” so as to evade automatic detection by Google’s spam filters.

    It was also known before Friday what happened next: Podesta forwarded the email to members of his staff. They wrongly concluded that the email was genuine, and Podesta clicked on the link. We know this because this email chain is among the messages leaked by Wikileaks.

    This much we already knew: the “Change Password” button on the phishing email took Podesta to a website controlled by the GRU, but first it bounced through the URL shortening service Bit.ly. Unfortunately for the GRU, here the hackers screwed up. The Bitly link reveals a lot of information about the GRU operation, and using this information we can reconstruct what Podesta saw when he clicked the link:





    Reconstruction of the John Podesta phishing page

    The indictment confirms that although this website was designed to look like a login page for Google, it was, in fact, operated by the Russian government. But the GRU made a mistake that allowed private-sector researchers to tie the phishing of Podesta to the GRU even before Friday’s indictment. When shortening the spearphishing link to send to Podesta using URL-shortening service Bitly, the GRU officer running the operation was logged in. This error allowed private investigators to connect the Podesta phishing email to huge numbers of other phishing emails sent by the GRU .Mueller now adds that, the specific officer who was logged in was, in fact, Lukashev, and his account name was “john356gh.”

    Although this attribution was previously known, the indictment makes public some previously unknown details. For example, it’s now clear that this phishing campaign wasn’t done merely on behalf of the GRU but was done internally by GRU officers directly. We now know which officers at the GRU were at the keyboard conducting the operation: Lukashev managed the spearphishing infrastructure, and another officer, Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov, spent time researching the specific targets at the DNC who were sent the emails. All of this gives the lie to Russia’s claim Friday, in response to the indictment, that the charges are “mud-slinging” intended to “spoil the atmosphere” ahead of the Trump-Putin summit.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/russia-indictment-20-what-make-muellers-hacking-indictment

    This is a great, detailed article which I'm sure you won't read.
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    14 Jul '18 22:35
    Originally posted by @whodey
    The original FISA warrant was to go after Carter Paige and these indictments went after Russians.

    Funny, Trump was never the focus of the investigation?

    Hilarious! 😵
    The focus of the investigation is Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Donald Trump is a "subject" of that investigation. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/trump-is-a-subject-of-investigation-what-does-that-mean/
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    14 Jul '18 22:481 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The focus of the investigation is Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Donald Trump is a "subject" of that investigation. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/trump-is-a-subject-of-investigation-what-does-that-mean/
    Yes, Trump is the only reason there is an investigation. We all know that.

    Problem is, they could not form an investigation without proof, so they create a FISA warrant to go after someone around Trump. We all know that the FISA warrant was just to go after Trump, nothing more. Then they begin picking apart everyone around Trump, including his lawyer.

    In fact, had Trump not won the election, there would never have been a FISA warrant to go after Carter Paige, Flynn would not have been investigated by the FBI and taken to court, and Obama ignoring Russian meddling into the last election would have been buried into obscurity.

    No, people like yourself are not so much concerned about Russian meddling as you are losing elections. Even Obama did not care and did nothing. People like yourself are simply vacuous partisan whores.
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    14 Jul '18 22:521 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Yes, Trump is the only reason there is an investigation. We all know that.

    Problem is, they could not form an investigation without proof, so they create a FISA warrant to go after someone around Trump. We all know that the FISA warrant was just to go after Trump, nothing more. Then they begin picking apart everyone around Trump, including his lawyer. ...[text shortened]... en Obama did not care and did nothing. People like yourself are simply vacuous partisan whores.
    You really mean there would have been no investigation if Rebubs had 2/3 control....

    AND BTW, Trump is a treasonous POTUS. That is extremely clear, Any REAL president would be canceling the meeting with Pukin, sorry, Putin. AND demanding those 12 operatives be extradited back to the US to face trial. None of the above is going to happen. Trump, in a room with just Pukin and two translators, what could go wrong? How can anyone with half a mind defend this traitor? He is doing Pukin's work for him, sowing discontent in NATO our best defense against Russia, cozy up to Kim, buddy buddy with Pukin, just what does it take to make you see Trump is for Trump and that is all. Did you forget about the part where hundreds of millions have been poured into Trumps coffers and THAT is why he is a billionaire today?

    You wonder why T has not revealed his tax forms? There is a reason for that. It's called corruption. Plain and simple.

    Of course you are hypnotized and brainwashed into believing he is the best thing since air conditioners but he is destroying alliances, adding tariffs that hurt the people he is supposed to be protecting, US citizens. You may have heard of Harley Davidson running their business to Europe to avoid the Tariff? Does't that tell you SOMETHING?
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    14 Jul '18 22:58
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    You really mean there would have been no investigation if Rebubs had 2/3 control....
    Yes. I believe Hillary had more support from the GOP in Congress than Trump.

    Just look at Congressmen like McCain.
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    14 Jul '18 23:00
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Yes. I believe Hillary had more support from the GOP in Congress than Trump.

    Just look at Congressmen like McCain.
    Is that the only thing you read of my post?
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    14 Jul '18 23:14
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Yes, Trump is the only reason there is an investigation. We all know that.

    Problem is, they could not form an investigation without proof, so they create a FISA warrant to go after someone around Trump. We all know that the FISA warrant was just to go after Trump, nothing more. Then they begin picking apart everyone around Trump, including his lawyer. ...[text shortened]... en Obama did not care and did nothing. People like yourself are simply vacuous partisan whores.
    You keep lying no matter what, but the investigation into Russian meddling started months before the FISA warrant regarding Carter Page.

    And you continue to lie in your claim "Obama did nothing".

    Apparently these indictments against Russian intelligence agents are just some elaborate piece of fiction according to a nutjob like yourself.
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