Amnesty to Illegal Aliens

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Napolitano Announces Obama Administration Plan to Give Amnesty to Illegal Aliens
Friday, November 13, 2009
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer



(CNSNews.com) –Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Friday that the Obama administration will push for “immigration reform” by giving the estimated 14 million people who are in the United States illegally “fair pathway to earned legal status.”

This is the next step in Obamas plan to "fundamentally change America"
Is this a good thing for the U.S. or bad?

Maddog1213

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
Napolitano Announces Obama Administration Plan to Give Amnesty to Illegal Aliens
Friday, November 13, 2009
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer



(CNSNews.com) –[b]Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Friday that the Obama administration will push for “immigration reform” by giving the estimated 14 million people who are in the Unit ...[text shortened]... ep in Obamas plan to "fundamentally change America"
Is this a good thing for the U.S. or bad?
Only if that immigration reform includes something of a rudimentary background check for those applying and a comprehensive plan to strengthen or close down our borders.

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
Napolitano Announces Obama Administration Plan to Give Amnesty to Illegal Aliens [...] This is the next step in Obamas plan to "fundamentally change America"
Is this a good thing for the U.S. or bad?
More like a step in the direction of trying to solve a massive and chronic problem in a practical way. Driving 14,000,000 de facto Americans out of the country is probably just too impractical and would make for very ugly politics. I think Scotty70 is right about the need to do this properly with background checks etc.

silicon valley

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he's trying to get 14M new voters to vote Democrat.

he better hurry, they're moving back home on their own ....

STS

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Originally posted by utherpendragon


(CNSNews.com) –[b]Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Friday that the Obama administration will push for “immigration reform” by giving the estimated 14 million people who are in the United States illegally “fair pathway to earned legal status.”


This is the next step in Obamas plan to "fundamentally change America"
Is this a good thing for the U.S. or bad?[/b]
Sure why not Obama promised us "change" and that's what we're getting.

Like a dream come true.

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
he's trying to get 14M new voters to vote Democrat.
Yes indeed. Maybe that is ugly politics too.

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Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Like a dream come true.
Well it will be a dream come true for the 14,000,000 people involved. And also for the 3,000,000 or 4,000,000 individuals or small businesses that employ them. And it will be a boost for the economy as millions more tax payers come on line. Fraught with problems, and a bit of unavoidable trampling on the Rule of Law involved, but - nevertheless - on balance probably a good policy.

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Originally posted by FMF
Well it will be a dream come true for the 14,000,000 people involved. And also for the 3,000,000 or 4,000,000 individuals or small businesses that employ them. And it will be a boost for the economy as millions more tax payers come on line. Fraught with problems, and a bit of unavoidable trampling on the Rule of Law involved, but - nevertheless - on balance probably a good policy.
As long as they don't complain about how awful America is that'll be fine.

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Originally posted by Sam The Sham
As long as they don't complain about how awful America is that'll be fine.
Well they will have freedom of speech, presumably.

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My objection to this, being a legal immigrant to the United States, is this:

Why is it that people who came here illegally can just get a green card while the legal immigrants have to wait, or can't get their visa extended and has to go back home?

Imagine this: you are a physicist, come here, spend night and day doing endless research, contributing to the scientific community in a significant way, and applying for a renewal of visa or a green card so that you can stay in the U.S. Your application ends up in a very clogged up processing center, and you are waiting for months for that application to be granted. Meanwhile, a illegal immigrant whose contribution is just working at a restaurant in town, gets the green card due to amnesty, and therefore a green card. You get to wait months more, and when the letter finally comes, it says that you didn't prove sufficiently that you are an person of oustanding talent. Back to Ho Chi Minh City.

In terms of policy decisions, this equity is often not a issue, but it does, on some level, seem unequitable.

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Originally posted by Sam The Sham
As long as they don't complain about how awful America is that'll be fine.
Because that right is reserved solely for nationals. 🙄

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
Napolitano Announces Obama Administration Plan to Give Amnesty to Illegal Aliens
Friday, November 13, 2009
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer



(CNSNews.com) –[b]Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Friday that the Obama administration will push for “immigration reform” by giving the estimated 14 million people who are in the Unit ...[text shortened]... ep in Obamas plan to "fundamentally change America"
Is this a good thing for the U.S. or bad?
[/b]Only two questions....

Are you a:

(a) First generation U.S. citizen, or

(b) Second generation U.S. citizen, or

(c) Third generation U.S. citizen.

?

And, from where and in what circumstances your ancestors went to the U.S.?

Thanks.

Doug Stanhope

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Originally posted by Starrman
Because that right is reserved solely for nationals. 🙄
Zing! Rec'd 😵

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Originally posted by Starrman
Because that right is reserved solely for nationals. 🙄
But if they benefit from the amnesty and become citizens, why wouldn't they then be "nationals" with all the rights and responsibilities that come with it?

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Originally posted by FMF
But if they benefit from the amnesty and become citizens, why wouldn't they then be "nationals" with all the rights and responsibilities that come with it?
I think you missed the point... Sam is under the impression they won't be nationals in the true sense. Only those born as Americans can complain, in his view. These new nationals should be thankful and cease forever to have an opinion on their country.