Originally posted by vivify Don't be dumb. There's no reason for discrimination against gays. There is arguably a reason to keep polygamy from being legal. There may be arguments against banning polygamy as well. But it's still no comparison to gay marriage, since there's no reasonable argument for banning it, unlike polygamy.
Do tell, what are the very good reasons for discriminating against polygamists?
Originally posted by no1marauder Did she have "free will" or not? What would have happened if she had said "screw that - I'm having an abortion. After all, the Torah you gave us says that a ZEF isn't nefesh."
I notice you've dodged the rest of the post; it seems Jesus doesn't give any support to anti-abortion rights fanatics like yourself after all, so you are hardly "following him" by being one.
Did Jesus say not to kill infants? Did Jesus say not to kill toddlers? How about adolescents?
No? Well there ya go, Marry could have done that as well, eh?
Originally posted by whodey Did Jesus say not to kill infants? Did Jesus say not to kill toddlers? How about adolescents?
No? Well there ya go, Marry could have done that as well, eh?
You could at least spell her name right.
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Originally posted by whodey http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/27/california-governor-says-its-not-christian-to-build-a-wall-along-the-us-mexico-border/
California governor says that building the Trump wall Is not a Christian thing to do cuz he lives his life by asking, "What would Jesus do"?
Is the governor ushering in a theocratic government?
Brown told host Chuck Todd that building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is not the “Christian thing” to do because those living here illegally are “children of God, they should be treated that way.” Brown is wrong. First off, they are not "children of God". Even if some are, children of God do not break laws, they are still illegal and should pay the consequences.
What would Jesus do? He would command to build the wall, just like Israel did in the old testament.
Originally posted by checkbaiter Brown told host Chuck Todd that building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is not the “Christian thing” to do because those living here illegally are “children of God, they should be treated that way.”
Brown is wrong. First off, they are not "children of God". Even if some are, children of God do not break laws, they are still illegal and should pay the consequences.
Jesus frequently broke the Sabbath, which was Jewish law. Clearly, he's not a child of God.
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Originally posted by vivify Jesus frequently broke the Sabbath, which was Jewish law. Clearly, he's not a child of God.
He was and is the Son of God. He did not break the Sabbath, only what the Pharisees thought was the law.
Originally posted by checkbaiter He was and is the Son of God. He did not break the Sabbath, only what the Pharisees thought was the law.
The Pharisees' interpretation of the Sabbath was still the law of the land, which Jesus broke frequently. Clearly, he's not a child of God, since children of God don't break laws.
Originally posted by whodey So you have no problem with not letting gays marry? It's just the cake thingy that has your panties tied up in a ball?
I would agree that not serving food at a restaurant would be discrimination, but to ask a religious person to create a cake for an event they consider to be an abomination before God is something entirely different, don't you think?
Yes it is and there should be provision made for those who are religiously inclined to be free from prosecution.
Originally posted by vivify The Pharisees' interpretation of the Sabbath was still the law of the land, which Jesus broke frequently. Clearly, he's not a child of God, since children of God don't break laws.
I had a quick look at Wikipedia. The passage in the New Testament probably reflects later arguments between Christians and Pharisees. The relevant paragraph is:
Some historians, however, have noted that Jesus' actions are actually similar to and consistent with Jewish beliefs and practices of the time, as recorded by the Rabbis, that commonly associate illness with sin and healing with forgiveness. Jews (according to E.P. Sanders) reject the New Testament suggestion that the healing would have been critical of, or criticized by, the Pharisees as no surviving Rabbinic source questions or criticizes this practice. Another argument is that according to the New Testament, Pharisees wanted to punish Jesus for healing a man's withered hand on Sabbath. No Rabbinic rule has been found according to which Jesus would have violated Sabbath.
Originally posted by DeepThought I had a quick look at Wikipedia. The passage in the New Testament probably reflects later arguments between Christians and Pharisees. The relevant paragraph is:
Some historians, however, have noted that Jesus' actions are actually similar to and consistent with Jewish beliefs and practices of the time, as recorded by the Rabbis, that commonly as ...[text shortened]... g to which Jesus would have violated Sabbath.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
a) The Pharisees' interpretation of the law was still the law of the land, which Jesus broke
b) Jesus also told a man he healed on the Sabbath to pick up his mat and walk; this was considered work, and forbidden by the law (a man was sentenced to death in the bible just for gathering logs on the Sabbath). Commanding someone to carry his bed and walk away with it on the Sabbath, is Jesus' second instance of breaking the law.
Clearly, Jesus isn't a child of God, since children of God don't break laws.
Originally posted by vivify a) The Pharisees' interpretation of the law was still the law of the land, which Jesus broke
b) Jesus also told a man he healed on the Sabbath to pick up his mat and walk; this was considered work, and forbidden by the law (a man was sentenced to death in the bible just for gathering logs on the Sabbath). Commanding someone to break carry his bed and wal ...[text shortened]... reaking the law.
Clearly, Jesus isn't a child of God, since children of God don't break laws.
Well, first of all are you sure about that, the Pharisees were relatively oppositional and the more pedantic group were the Saducees. What do you base your claim on that what the Christian Bible says the Pharisees would have said is what the Pharisees would actually have said. The article I quoted claims that they would not have regarded his actions to be against the law.
Who was the log carrier sentenced to death by the Pharisees or the Saducees and was he being paid (which is the kind of detail they have a habit of leaving out)?
Originally posted by DeepThought Well, first of all are you sure about that, the Pharisees were relatively oppositional and the more pedantic group were the Saducees. What do you base your claim on that what the Christian Bible says the Pharisees would have said is what the Pharisees would actually have said. The article I quoted claims that they would not have regarded his actions to ...[text shortened]... e Saducees and was he being paid (which is the kind of detail they have a habit of leaving out)?
He is pulling it out of his arse. His only goal here is to be argumentative. He has long since rejected the Bible and its words. To him, the Bible is merely a tool to use against those of faith instead of something that he follows, much like the religious leaders in the days of Jesus used it.
Getting back to the governor of California, it is odd that he still identifies as being Catholic when his own church labels abortion murder. The least he could do would be to renounce his religion instead of openly defying what he say he believes in.
Originally posted by checkbaiter He was and is the Son of God. He did not break the Sabbath, only what the Pharisees thought was the law.
Jesus also recognized it as the law. He did not debate that. What he debated was, is it lawful to save someone on the Sabbath? Should we be so litigious as to let someone die on the Sabbath just to avoid work being done? Jesus was arguing the that the spirit of the law was not broken, that the Sabbath was made for man, not the other way round. Jesus rightly pointed out that if their beast of burden fell down into a pit, they would pull it out on the Sabbath to save it. How much more should we do for human beings?
28 Mar '17 01:28
Building the wall is not the Christian thing to do
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