Colorado Supreme Court bans Trump from Primary Ballot

@wajoma said
"Protest"

Nothing about going to a specific room at a specific time kidnapping specific pollies, making them say and do specific things.

Edit: If you could so kindly fill in the specifics, much appreciated.

Edit: TIA

I already have.

In case you can't follow along, I was responding to another mott absurd claim that I was "lying" when I said Trump summoned the crowd to Washington.

@no1marauder said

You've never bothered to explain what the legal mechanisms for overturning a certification "5 minutes later" would be, quite possibly because there are none.

Here's the mechanism:

Ignore all that shyte it was done under duress while they had electrodes attached to some pollie or others balls, oh, and zipties.

But better option, there's a mob building outside, it doesn't look good let's go over to such and such office to perform the sacred rituals there.

@wajoma said
Here's the mechanism:

Ignore all that shyte it was done under duress while they had electrodes attached to some pollie or others balls, oh, and zipties.

But better option, there's a mob building outside, it doesn't look good let's go over to such and such office to perform the sacred rituals there.

Explain the "legal" mechanism.

Guess what? There isn't one. At the very least, it would have created a Constitutional crisis with the person in charge of the country's law enforcement and military now insisting he had been legally re-elected according to the Constitutional procedures.

There have been plenty of protests outside the Capitol, so it's not surprising that the Congress was slow to react. They did not evacuate either chamber until the insurrectionists had actually broke into the building and many members and their staff remained in the House chamber. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916

Maybe you should make the slightest effort to get the facts about the incident before spouting your ignorant conclusions.

@no1marauder said
Explain the "legal" mechanism.

Guess what? There isn't one. At the very least, it would have created a Constitutional crisis with the person in charge of the country's law enforcement and military now insisting he had been legally re-elected according to the Constitutional procedures.

There have been plenty of protests outside the Capitol, so it's not surprising tha ...[text shortened]... the slightest effort to get the facts about the incident before spouting your ignorant conclusions.

And here you are trying to tell us Trump notified the Capitol of an impending insurrection on Jan 6th through a tweet on December 19th.

Slow to act is an understatement.

Or are the authorities not monitoring what Trump tweets, it was a secret tweet, went out under the radar.

On the one hand you're saying this was some kind of incitement, then on the other it's nothing to be concerned about. Try to get the story straight.

@wajoma said
And here you are trying to tell us Trump notified the Capitol of an impending insurrection on Jan 6th through a tweet on December 19th.

Slow to act is an understatement.

Or are the authorities not monitoring what Trump tweets, it was a secret tweet, went out under the radar.

On the one hand you're saying this was some kind of incitement, then on the other it's nothing to be concerned about. Try to get the story straight.

No, Trump didn't publicly announce an insurrection, so there must not have been one.

How stupid can you get?

Relevant law enforcement agencies were aware of the possibility of violence but perhaps did not take it seriously enough since the security at the Capitol had been sufficient in the past.

@no1marauder said
No, Trump didn't publicly announce an insurrection, so there must not have been one.

How stupid can you get?

Relevant law enforcement agencies were aware of the possibility of violence but perhaps did not take it seriously enough since the security at the Capitol had been sufficient in the past.

"No, Trump didn't publicly announce an insurrection, so there must not have been one. '

EXACTLY...now shut up and quit embarrassing yourself

@mott-the-hoople said
"No, Trump didn't publicly announce an insurrection, so there must not have been one. '

EXACTLY...now shut up and quit embarrassing yourself

Well I know how stupid you can get but I was asking Wajoma whether he really wanted to hit that nadir.

@no1marauder said
Well I know how stupid you can get but I was asking Wajoma whether he really wanted to hit that nadir.

There wasn't one. There wasn't an insurrection incited by Trump or the pollies and Capitol police would have been prepared, there was no insurrection planned because no plan has been discovered and even the make-up ones post Jan 6th are ludicrous., and there definitely was no successful insurrection by accident or however they happen without plans.

@wajoma said
There wasn't one. There wasn't an insurrection incited by Trump or the pollies and Capitol police would have been prepared, there was no insurrection planned because no plan has been discovered and even the make-up ones post Jan 6th are ludicrous., and there definitely was no successful insurrection by accident or however they happen without plans.

Like I said:

All you've shown is a remarkable ability to perform the typical 5 year old's strategy of "holding your breath until you turn blue" when faced by facts.

@wajoma said
There wasn't one. There wasn't an insurrection incited by Trump or the pollies and Capitol police would have been prepared, there was no insurrection planned because no plan has been discovered and even the make-up ones post Jan 6th are ludicrous., and there definitely was no successful insurrection by accident or however they happen without plans.

The Colorado Supreme Court decision has a discussion of the term "insurrection" as used in Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment starting at page 97 of the decision. It's definition:

", it suffices for us to conclude that any definition of “insurrection” for purposes of
Section Three would encompass a concerted and public use of force or threat of
force by a group of people to hinder or prevent the U.S. government from taking
the actions necessary to accomplish a peaceful transfer of power in this country."

It concludes "In short, the record amply established that the events of January 6
constituted a concerted and public use of force or threat of force by a group of
people to hinder or prevent the U.S. government from taking the actions necessary
to accomplish the peaceful transfer of power in this country. Under any viable
103

definition, this constituted an insurrection ....."

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf Pages 99 and 102

@no1marauder said
Like I said:

All you've shown is a remarkable ability to perform the typical 5 year old's strategy of "holding your breath until you turn blue" when faced by facts.

I've really tried to look at it through your eyes. What would a planned insurrection look like, the logistics, the goals, what success might look like, what would be required to hold on to it, drills, meetings, training. And at every step it just got wilder, weirder and more ludicrous.

@no1marauder said
The Colorado Supreme Court decision has a discussion of the term "insurrection" as used in Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment starting at page 97 of the decision. It's definition:

", it suffices for us to conclude that any definition of “insurrection” for purposes of
Section Three would encompass a concerted and public use of force or threat of
force by a group ...[text shortened]... te.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf Pages 99 and 102

I unruly directionless mob got out of control, escalated by Capitol police killing and injuring them.

@wajoma said
I've really tried to look at it through your eyes. What would a planned insurrection look like, the logistics, the goals, what success might look like, what would be required to hold on to it, drills, meetings, training. And at every step it just got wilder, weirder and more ludicrous.

You're being untruthful; you've made no such effort to even understand what happened or deal with the facts.

Even though the mob wasn't terribly prepared, they came perilously close to success. Certainly many wouldn't even have tried but for Trump's incendiary speech minutes before the attack on the Capitol though that does not apply to your friends convicted of Seditious Conspiracy.

@wajoma said
I unruly directionless mob got out of control, escalated by Capitol police killing and injuring them.

You're a writer of fiction now although most of them aren't outright liars like you.

The mob knew what direction to go in, enthusiastically attacked law enforcement with whatever weapons they had at hand and one was justifiably killed well after they had already illegally breached the Capitol when she and a violent group were within a short distance of House members and their staff trapped in the House Chamber.

Those are the facts and you should stop posting such blatant and ridiculous lies.

@no1marauder said
You're a writer of fiction now although most of them aren't outright liars like you.

The mob knew what direction to go in, enthusiastically attacked law enforcement with whatever weapons they had at hand and one was justifiably killed well after they had already illegally breached the Capitol when she and a violent group were within a short distance of House members an ...[text shortened]... House Chamber.

Those are the facts and you should stop posting such blatant and ridiculous lies.

the facts are, Trump was not charged with sedition or insurrection by people that are capable of anything because they knew it wouldnt hold up. And, if they did and Trump appealed it would open them up to discovery. they are protecting themselves not Trump