Colorado Supreme Court bans Trump from Primary Ballot

@no1marauder said
If you don't "stop the steal" you won't "have a country anymore" directed to a large group near the Capitol which Trump had already been informed contained elements poised for violence intended to stop the certification doesn't seem to me to run afoul of a Brandenburg analysis. His words and actions before, during and after the invasion of the Capitol seem to be a ...[text shortened]... 444/

I find it difficult to believe that Trump "accidentally" caused the invasion of the Capitol.

should this man be arrested?

https://nypost.com/2023/12/23/news/minnesota-professor-calls-to-decolonize-and-dismantle-the-us/

@mott-the-hoople said
should this man be arrested?

https://nypost.com/2023/12/23/news/minnesota-professor-calls-to-decolonize-and-dismantle-the-us/

Review the quote I gave from Brandenburg v. Ohio and tell me.

@no1marauder said
Among many other things, pursuant to this thread he engaged in insurrection against the Constitution of the United States. That prevents him from being "a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State,". https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/

Are we back to point A after all these 11 pages?
There are a lot pf really educated studied people who would say he did not engage in such. So, even if you get lucky and turn out right, you can not today say that he did engage.

@no1marauder said
If you don't "stop the steal" you won't "have a country anymore" directed to a large group near the Capitol which Trump had already been informed contained elements poised for violence intended to stop the certification doesn't seem to me to run afoul of a Brandenburg analysis. His words and actions before, during and after the invasion of the Capitol seem to be a ...[text shortened]... 444/

I find it difficult to believe that Trump "accidentally" caused the invasion of the Capitol.

I find it hard to believe that you find him guilty 100%

@sh76 said
Understood, but being pleased about an insurrection or failing to try to stop an insurrection is not really the same thing as participating in it.

Did he participate in it? Well, he certainly caused it, no question about that. But did he intentionally incite it? Did he know the mob was going to storm the Capitol or did he think they would go down there, stand outside and yell ...[text shortened]... standard would apply).

I don't know if this is cut-and-dried enough to justify this kind of step.

One point…..we can all agree that his mere presence would indeed stir up his fans to do what they did. Without his saying a word, they would have done it. Does that make it his fault?

@averagejoe1 said
I find it hard to believe that you find him guilty 100%

You like folks to answer questions, why don't you answer this one I asked MB on page 12 of this thread:

no1: How were they going to "stop the steal" so they'd still have a country anymore at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 minutes after Trump's speech?

"They" being the group summoned to Washington, DC by Donald Trump the day the Electoral College vote was to be certified at the Capitol and told by him to proceed to that building (a short walk from the Ellipse where he gave his speech).

@no1marauder said
If you don't "stop the steal" you won't "have a country anymore" directed to a large group near the Capitol which Trump had already been informed contained elements poised for violence intended to stop the certification doesn't seem to me to run afoul of a Brandenburg analysis. His words and actions before, during and after the invasion of the Capitol seem to be a ...[text shortened]... 444/

I find it difficult to believe that Trump "accidentally" caused the invasion of the Capitol.

This is not about questioning the results of the election because Hillary already did that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/hillary-clinton-trump-knows-hes-an-illegitimate-president/

@mott-the-hoople said
“Did he participate in it? Well, he certainly caused it, no question about that. ”

How many fbi/cia/govt assets were there and what was their role?

I have no idea, but "but for" Trump's speech, it obviously would not have happened. Therefore, he caused it. The only issue is intent. Without intent, it would be protected by freedom of speech.

@metal-brain said
This is not about questioning the results of the election because Hillary already did that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/hillary-clinton-trump-knows-hes-an-illegitimate-president/

No, it isn't about questioning the results of an election.

@sh76 said
I have no idea, but "but for" Trump's speech, it obviously would not have happened. Therefore, he caused it. The only issue is intent. Without intent, it would be protected by freedom of speech.

Who caused the BLM riots?
Is calling for a protest intent for violence even if you do not call for violence?
NO!

@no1marauder said
No, it isn't about questioning the results of an election.

But that is all Trump did other than call for a protest. Is calling for a protest a call for violence even if you do not encourage violence?

@metal-brain said
But that is all Trump did other than call for a protest. Is calling for a protest a call for violence even if you do not encourage violence?

That's false and you know it.

Trump encouraged the violence, stood by while it happened and condoned it during and afterward. Moreover, he had advance warning that groups he had summoned to Washington DC that day to "stop the steal" planned violence to prevent the certification of the Electoral College vote.

@no1marauder said
That's false and you know it.

Trump encouraged the violence, stood by while it happened and condoned it during and afterward. Moreover, he had advance warning that groups he had summoned to Washington DC that day to "stop the steal" planned violence to prevent the certification of the Electoral College vote.

"he had advance warning that groups he had summoned to Washington DC that day to "stop the steal" planned violence "

What is your source of information?

@metal-brain said
"he had advance warning that groups he had summoned to Washington DC that day to "stop the steal" planned violence "

What is your source of information?

Jesus Christ, do you ever read anything but your nutjob conspiracy sites?

Here's an easy source which I cited to in the OP:

"The foregoing evidence established that President Trump’s messages were
a call to his supporters to fight and that his supporters responded to that call.
Further supporting such a conclusion was the fact that multiple federal agencies,
including the Secret Service, identified significant threats of violence in the days
leading up to January 6. Id. at ¶ 123. These threats were made openly online, and
they were widely reported in the press. Id. Agency threat assessments thus stated
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that domestic violent extremists planned for violence on January 6, with weapons
including firearms and enough ammunition to “win a small war.” Id.
¶208 Along the same lines, the Federal Bureau of Investigation received many
tips regarding the potential for violence on January 6."

"The record reflects that President Trump had reason to know of the potential
for violence on January 6. As President, he oversaw the agencies reporting the
foregoing threats. Id. at ¶ 123"

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf at Pages 109-110

@mott-the-hoople said
actual lawyers found it not advisable to charge Trump with insurrection…do you claim to know more than them?

Actual judges found he engaged in insurrection - do you claim to know more than them?