@wolfgang59 saidWolfie, the constitution provides rules of justice, tranquility, welfare, defense of people. What you talkin ‘bout.?
Nor nuclear weapons and microwave ovens.
@kazetnagorra saidI know, I know....... there is no clear definition. So you want to trap me like y’all want to set up my man Trump with perjury, having him testify. Libs really think groupthink.
You have no idea what the tenets of socialism are?
Well surprise, here is a clear definition, other than the standard govt owning means of production blah blah, How about any person or any entity (eg govt) being involved in any part whatsoever of an individual’s life. You like that scenario!?? I can’t believe I am cajoling with a socialist. I’m going to lock my door.
@averagejoe1 saidIf you don't know what socialism is, why are you afraid of it?
I know, I know....... there is no clear definition. So you want to trap me like y’all want to set up my man Trump with perjury, having him testify. Libs really think groupthink.
Well surprise, here is a clear definition, other than the standard govt owning means of production blah blah, How about any person or any entity (eg govt) being involved in any part wha ...[text shortened]... You like that scenario!?? I can’t believe I am cajoling with a socialist. I’m going to lock my door.
@averagejoe1 saidThere is nothing about universal public education either or a fire department or police departments.
Further, there is nothing in the Constitution about healthcare.
@kazetnagorra saidLet us do this.....Please define socialism, and I can easily tell you why I am afraid of it.....I have to be able to tell you exactly what I am afraid of, you see. I will be most happy to answer your question. This way, I can answer exactly what is on your mind. Cool, I think.
If you don't know what socialism is, why are you afraid of it?
@phranny saidYeah, and I notice there is nothing in there about the right to privacy, separation of church and state, executive privilege which has been in the news lately, immigration, even marriage. No rights under the constitution, right?
There is nothing about universal public education either or a fire department or police departments.
So after Ben Franklin and the rest of the guys left that day, it was left to the people to have their own meetings about how to govern their respective societies. At each town hall, they voted to tax everyone for school, fire department and police. This results in a citizen's right to education, putting out your house fire, and being protected by armed police. But I don't know of any municipality, town, county or state that has made healthcare a right.
So, citizens have a right to the 3 things you mention, if it is included in the statutes of the communities, but no right to healthcare. If there were a right to healthcare in the Constitution, our discussion would be quite different. Bernie says that there is such a right.. I was going to vote on him till he said that.
@averagejoe1 saidI’m glad you have a place to vent your feelings and can avoid ruining anyone’s dinner. Presuming none of the groupthink libs is dining at present.
I know, I know....... there is no clear definition. So you want to trap me like y’all want to set up my man Trump with perjury, having him testify. Libs really think groupthink.
Well surprise, here is a clear definition, other than the standard govt owning means of production blah blah, How about any person or any entity (eg govt) being involved in any part wha ...[text shortened]... You like that scenario!?? I can’t believe I am cajoling with a socialist. I’m going to lock my door.
@averagejoe1 saidTry actually reading that constitution of yours before commenting on what's in it.
Yeah, and I notice there is nothing in there about the right to privacy, separation of church and state, executive privilege which has been in the news lately, immigration, even marriage. No rights under the constitution, right?
So after Ben Franklin and the rest of the guys left that day, it was left to the people to have their own meetings about how to govern th ...[text shortened]... different. Bernie says that there is such a right.. I was going to vote on him till he said that.
@kazetnagorra saidthats it? that is all you can think of to say?
Try actually reading that constitution of yours before commenting on what's in it.
I figured you would counter with showing where in the constitution it says this. Its not there is it?
@mott-the-hoople saidAlas, Another example of poor deflection.
thats it? that is all you can think of to say?
I figured you would counter with showing where in the constitution it says this. Its not there is it?
@averagejoe1 saidThe Framers did not believe that documents written by Man could create rights. But see the Ninth Amendment:
Yeah, and I notice there is nothing in there about the right to privacy, separation of church and state, executive privilege which has been in the news lately, immigration, even marriage. No rights under the constitution, right?
So after Ben Franklin and the rest of the guys left that day, it was left to the people to have their own meetings about how to govern th ...[text shortened]... different. Bernie says that there is such a right.. I was going to vote on him till he said that.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
@no1marauder
“The Framers did not believe that documents written by Man could create rights.” LMFAO! 😂
@mott-the-hoople saidIt's an astounding thing how willfully ignorant of the views of the Framers most right wingers are.
@no1marauder
“The Framers did not believe that documents written by Man could create rights.” LMFAO! 😂
@mott-the-hoople saidYou're asking for it Mott, kaka notion is going to slap you down... ... with a wiki link haha.
thats it? that is all you can think of to say?
I figured you would counter with showing where in the constitution it says this. Its not there is it?