As I pointed out in another thread, police in the US kill civilians at an absurdly higher rate than in other "advanced" countries. And police work here isn't extraordinarily dangerous; here's a list of 21 professions with higher yearly fatality rates including crossing guards.https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
@no1marauder saidApples: The risk of dying by police for a person neither intensely resisting arrest nor trying to seriously injure the police is somewhere in the neighborhood of death by shark bite.
I'm not sure where you get your info from, but in 2019 in the US 20 people were killed by lightning.https://www.statista.com/statistics/203715/injuries-and-fatalities-caused-by-lightning-in-the-us/#:~:text=Lightning%20damage%20in%20the%20U.S.[WORD TOO LONG] ...[text shortened]... s://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/shark-attacks/yearly-worldwide-summary/
1099 were killed by police.
Oranges: 1099 were killed by police.
If you get killed trying to shoot at police, I have no sympathy for you nor do I see that as a contribution to the premise that police need to reform.
@no1marauder saidSubtract out those trying to stab or shoot the police. I have much less interest in the aggregate that includes those numbers.
As I pointed out in another thread, police in the US kill civilians at an absurdly higher rate than in other "advanced" countries. And police work here isn't extraordinarily dangerous; here's a list of 21 professions with higher yearly fatality rates including crossing guards.https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
@techsouth saidYour statement was absurdly incorrect and you should just admit it.
Apples: The risk of dying by police for a person neither intensely resisting arrest nor trying to seriously injure the police is somewhere in the neighborhood of death by shark bite.
Oranges: 1099 were killed by police.
If you get killed trying to shoot at police, I have no sympathy for you nor do I see that as a contribution to the premise that police need to reform.
@no1marauder saidBut blacks (12% of the population) commit around 50% of the murders.
That "metric" only shows police engage with blacks more. It hardly shows why; for example, whites and blacks use and sell drugs in similar percentages according to FBI figures but blacks are many more times likely to be arrested on drug charges.
Here is a good source of data. It will provide a lot more insight than you'll get from national news and other race baiters.
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2&selYrs=2019&rdoGroups=1&rdoData=c
As sh76 pointed out, you'd hardly expect tax evaders to get into police shoot outs. But murders and armed robbers when confronted by police are likely going to be a lot more dangerous. No one is claiming that these simple numbers tell the complete picture nor that racism doesn't exist. But the race baiter narrative is deeply flawed and embracing that narrative is going to do more harm than good.
@no1marauder saidDo those other "advanced" countries have the same population size of people that instantly become aggressive and attack police?
As I pointed out in another thread, police in the US kill civilians at an absurdly higher rate than in other "advanced" countries. And police work here isn't extraordinarily dangerous; here's a list of 21 professions with higher yearly fatality rates including crossing guards.https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
@no1marauder saidWhat, specifically, is incorrect? Enlighten me. How many people are killed by police each year while cooperating with them? Hint: it is nowhere near 1099. It is a lot closer to 0 than 1099.
Your statement was absurdly incorrect and you should just admit it.
@joe-shmo saidThe number of murders during drug deals is tiny compared to the number of arrests for drug offenses of which there were 1.5 million in 2019 with 86.7% for mere possession. https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/node/235
If I had to take a guess, I would say because violence is a more prevalent feature in their drug deals... Blacks getting murdered ( by other blacks ) in gang related incidents tied to the selling of drugs at obscene rates tends to raise some red flags among law enforcement?!?
Your post is basically justifying disparate treatment based on racial stereotypes.
@techsouth saidDoing some serious goalpost moving aren't we?
What, specifically, is incorrect? Enlighten me. How many people are killed by police each year while cooperating with them? Hint: it is nowhere near 1099. It is a lot closer to 0 than 1099.
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@no1marauder saidIn the entire country 243 Black people were killed by police in 2020.
The number of murders during drug deals is tiny compared to the number of arrests for drug offenses of which there were 1.5 million in 2019 with 86.7% for mere possession. https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/node/235
Your post is basically justifying disparate treatment based on racial stereotypes.
In Chicago ALONE: 875 people died from "gun violence" last year; 78% of the victims were Black.
Its funny...they all report it as "gun violence"... In actually it is "gang violence" and it is heavily tied to the selling and distribtuion of drugs, whether that happens at the scene of the "deal" is irrelevant.
@joe-shmo saidNo it isn't.
In the entire country 243 Black people were killed by police in 2020.
In Chicago ALONE: 875 people died from "gun violence" last year; 78% of the victims were Black.
Its funny...they all report it as "gun violence"... In actually it is "gang violence".
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@no1marauder saidMy father grew up in Cook County. Nearly all his family reside there to this day. You don't know what you are talking about.
No it isn't.
@no1marauder saidPerhaps you never really read the earlier part of the conversation and haven't seen where the goalposts have been all along. And you have not produced the number either.
Doing some serious goalpost moving aren't we?
The media's mantra used phrases such as "blacks killed by police". From my very first entry in this thread, I've strained to distinguish those killed by police while not attacking the police from those who are. In my "apples/orange" post I use my exact words and your exact words used in your rebuttal.
I'll repeat, if you are killed by police while trying to shoot or stab them, your body count should not be included alongside any innocent victim. If we count only those people who act like they care about their own life, the numbers are a lot different that what the race baiting media is trying to get us to swallow.
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@techsouth saidAbout 1 in a 1000 arrests are for murders and there is rarely any complaints if and when police kill a resisting murder suspect.
But blacks (12% of the population) commit around 50% of the murders.
Here is a good source of data. It will provide a lot more insight than you'll get from national news and other race baiters.
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2&selYrs=2019&rdoGroups=1&rdoData=c
As sh76 pointed out, you'd hardly expect tax evaders to get into police shoot out ...[text shortened]... e baiter narrative is deeply flawed and embracing that narrative is going to do more harm than good.