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Above is a video of the shooting. Police show the video in real time, then in slow motion, discussing the events.

My initial thoughts: this is tragic. It's horrible to see a young life snuffed out, especially in such a brutal manner.

However: this seems to be a case where the knife wielder could've killed someone had the cop not acted quickly. Could there have been a better solution: possibly. But with only a split second to decide on how to stop an attacker from stopping and possibly killing someone else, I can't see any reason to blame the cop for any wrongdoing at this point.

The girl went after two different people with a knife, clearly intending to stab.

There's a long list cops unjustly killing blacks; this doesn't seem to be one of those instances.

I understand the reaction of the onlookers. Blacks have been unjustly killed many, many times...so many times. An ungodly amount of those killings have gone unpunished, despite clear evidence of wrongdoing, often on video, But I can't lump this killing with them.

Eric Garner, George Floyd, Walter Scott and on and on: all murder. But in this one particular instance, I can't fault the cops.


@vivify said
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Above is a video of the shooting. Police show the video in real time, then in slow motion, discussing the events.

My initial thoughts: this is tragic. It's horrible to see a young life snuffed out, especially in such a brutal manner.

However: this seems to be a case where the knife wielder could've killed someone had the cop not acted ...[text shortened]... alter Scott and on and on: all murder. But in this one particular instance, I can't fault the cops.
I saw the same slow mo there is no racial or police brutality here just a tragedy, it occurred to me how unfit for that job I’d be if I had to assess the situation and make a life or death decision in real time.
Unfortunately it seems there are too many unfit cops on the force.


@kevcvs57 said
Unfortunately it seems there are too many unfit cops on the force.
Yes, but in this situation, it doesn't seem that the cop was unfit; it seemed he had the unfortunate task of making a split-second decision about stopping a knife-wielding attacker from potentially killing someone.


I generally do not like the idea of "shoot to kill" but in this case, did the cop ever have time enough to aim?

It all happened so fast that I doubt the shooter could take the time to consider "skin color" as a determining factor, ya know?

No racism. No fault of the police.

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@vivify said
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Above is a video of the shooting. Police show the video in real time, then in slow motion, discussing the events.

My initial thoughts: this is tragic. It's horrible to see a young life snuffed out, especially in such a brutal manner.

However: this seems to be a case where the knife wielder could've killed someone had the cop not acted ...[text shortened]... alter Scott and on and on: all murder. But in this one particular instance, I can't fault the cops.
This definitely seems like a good shoot. Aside from Lebron James, I don't see too many people disagreeing.

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@vivify said
Yes, but in this situation, it doesn't seem that the cop was unfit; it seemed he had the unfortunate task of making a split-second decision about stopping a knife-wielding attacker from potentially killing someone.
Yes I’m sure that’s what I said, I said it couple of days ago when the video was posted in another thread.
This is a good cop who is definitely fit for purpose, but is he typical or atypical?

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@sh76 said
Aside from Lebron James, I don't see too many people disagreeing.
I can understand the anger of people like Lebron. When black people killed by cops is so ubiquitous with an incredible number of such cases going unpunished even with video evidence showing clear injustice, hearing about yet another killing of a black person by a cop can set off a fuse.

It's like if a neighborhood bully ends up beating up a mugger: the reaction may be to instinctively direct anger at the bully, even if the bully wasn't in the wrong that time.

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@vivify said
I can understand the anger of people like Lebron. When black people killed by cops is so ubiquitous with an incredible number of such cases going unpunished even with video evidence showing clear injustice, hearing about yet another killing of a black person by a cop can set off a fuse.

It's like if a neighborhood bully ends up beating up a mugger: the reaction may be to instinctively direct anger at the bully, even if the bully wasn't in the wrong that time.
I disagree with the proposition that it's "so ubiquitous," but truth be told, that's an emotional issue and it doesn't really pay to argue about.


@vivify said
I can understand the anger of people like Lebron. When black people killed by cops is so ubiquitous with an incredible number of such cases going unpunished even with video evidence showing clear injustice, hearing about yet another killing of a black person by a cop can set off a fuse.

It's like if a neighborhood bully ends up beating up a mugger: the reaction may be to instinctively direct anger at the bully, even if the bully wasn't in the wrong that time.
the wizards of Black Lives Matter deliberately protest only when a white cop kills a black person.
That makes it seem more a racism issue than a police brutality issue. And the Marxist propaganda artists
at BLM are proud as hell of the result. They are pushing a race war, no doubt in my mind.


@earl-of-trumps said
the wizards of Black Lives Matter deliberately protest only when a white cop kills a black person.
That makes it seem more a racism issue than a police brutality issue. And the Marxist propaganda artists
at BLM are proud as hell of the result. They are pushing a race war, no doubt in my mind.
Do you get angry at shelters for abused women and call them sexist for not serving men?

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@vivify said
Do you get angry at shelters for abused women and call them sexist for not serving men?
you have been indoctrinated, twice as many white people have been killed by police as blacks in any given year. All your media tells you about are the blacks.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/


@mott-the-hoople said
you have been indoctrinated, twice as many white people have been killed by police as blacks in any given year. All your media tells you about are the blacks.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
https://www.statista.com/chart/21857/people-killed-in-police-shootings-in-the-us/

POLICE VIOLENCE
U.S. Police Shootings: Blacks Disproportionately Affected

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@earl-of-trumps said
the wizards of Black Lives Matter deliberately protest only when a white cop kills a black person.
That makes it seem more a racism issue than a police brutality issue. And the Marxist propaganda artists
at BLM are proud as hell of the result. They are pushing a race war, no doubt in my mind.
I've been learning about Critical Race Theory. One of the core tenants is that white people can't NOT be racist. Consequently, it seems the only possible end-game in a world that embraces CRT is genocide. Either blacks annihilate whites, or vice-versa (I advocate neither one). Prove me wrong.

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@techsouth said
I've been learning about Critical Race Theory. One of the core tenants is that white people can't NOT be racist. Consequently, it seems the only possible end-game in a world that embraces CRT is genocide. Either blacks annihilate whites, or vice-versa (I advocate neither one). Prove me wrong.
CRT teaches that race is a socially constructed idea used an excuse to oppress other people of said "race".

I don't like this idea because inherent in this belief is that racism exists because of these perceived differences, taking blame away from the human tendency to commit atrocities toward one another regardless of any actual differences.

Physically speaking, a Jewish and German person can look quite similar; that didn't stop one of the most horrific events in human history from taking place between the two.

The list goes on: Christians and Romans, Shia and Sunni, the English and Scottish (or Irish), the Chinese and Japanese, etc. Crips vs. Bloods, Hatfields vs. McCoys, jocks vs. geeks, rich vs. poor, it doesn't matter. Human beings can use any excuse to persecute others.

Race simply happens to be an easier way of differentiating between groups of people compared to ideological, religious, political or cultural differences. If the idea of race is eliminated, I don't think it would make much difference in the world. The real problem is the animalistic and cruel tendencies humans have toward each other, regardless of differences, imaginary or not.


To be clear, I'm not bashing Critical Race Theory, just addressing it's idea of placing blame on the idea of race rather than human flaws for racism.