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@earl-of-trumps saidI referenced a televised debate. Do you and Joe think live television broadcasts were around during slavery times?
Ya know, Viv,
Often when I raise the issue that all slaves, just prior to the Civil War, were owned by Democrats, and that the KKK
was a Democrat invention, as were "separate but equal" and Jim Crow, I get back that you cannot judge today's
democrats by the actions of democrats of a century ago, as "people change".
Let us not be cherry picking with that concept, mon ami
Conservative intelligence for you.
Regarding Jim Crow-era Dems, it's obvious the party changed, and we can even give an approximate timeline when things changed for the Dem party.
So when did systemic racism end, hmm?
@no1marauder saidThat's indisputable, but is not necessarily racist.
It seems to me that police in the US are more inclined to kill than those in comparable countries.
I'm very much in favor of trying to decrease the violence with which police face the citizenry, but I see no evidence that police are more likely to kill black people in comparable confrontations.
Just take the Chauvin case. Bad policing? Sure. Brutality? Yup. Manslaughter? Yes. Murder? I don't think so, but I'm not going to waste my tears on Chauvin - he made his own bed. But racism? I don't see it. Is there anything in Chauvin's record that makes him a racist? Is there any reason to believe that he'd have done things differently if Floyd were white other than speculation?
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@vivify saidSee how this works Earl? The "party" changed...but EVERYTHING ELSE stayed the same!!! Un freaking real. What fantasy land are you living in?
I referenced a televised debate. Do you and Joe think live television broadcasts were around during slavery times?
Conservative intelligence for you.
Regarding Jim Crow-era Dems, it's obvious the party changed, and we can even give an approximate timeline when things changed for the Dem party.
So when did systemic racism end, hmm?
@sh76 saidRight wingers think that systemic racism is only applicable IF the person is wearing a sheet and burning crosses.
That's indisputable, but is not necessarily racist.
I'm very much in favor of trying to decrease the violence with which police face the citizenry, but I see no evidence that police are more likely to kill black people in comparable confrontations.
Just take the Chauvin case. Bad policing? Sure. Brutality? Yup. Manslaughter? Yes. Murder? I don't think so, but I'm not going ...[text shortened]... reason to believe that he'd have done things differently if Floyd were white other than speculation?
This whole thread is validation of the idea that many whites harbor racial stereotypes that seem to them to justify disparate treatment of blacks in the US. That doesn't make them overt racists (necessarily) but that's not a lot of comfort to blacks being harassed, arrested and even killed at disproportionate rates.
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@vivify saidAgain. Largest mass shooting of 2020...not a single mention of gun control on any major news network.
Are Dems still supported by the KKK like Republicans are? The answer is no, therefore the Dem party changed.
Does systemic racism still exist? Yes.
See how easy it was to refute you?
See how easy it is to prove you are a smuck?
@sh76 saidLet's see some science:
That's indisputable, but is not necessarily racist.
I'm very much in favor of trying to decrease the violence with which police face the citizenry, but I see no evidence that police are more likely to kill black people in comparable confrontations.
Just take the Chauvin case. Bad policing? Sure. Brutality? Yup. Manslaughter? Yes. Murder? I don't think so, but I'm not going ...[text shortened]... reason to believe that he'd have done things differently if Floyd were white other than speculation?
"New research published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology found that people tend to perceive young black men as larger, stronger and more threatening than white men of the same size."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/black-men-perceived-stronger-threatening-1.4022277
"To many columnists and commentators, the incident strongly suggests that racism — and specifically a tendency to stereotype black males — is alive and well in Obama-era America. Their fears are backed up by a just-published study, which suggests white Americans have difficulty discriminating between angry and non-angry faces of black men."
"Either way, the study suggests that for whites, the stereotype of the threatening black male is easy to activate. Once it's lodged in the mind, it is then unconsciously projected onto others of his race and gender — even distinguished Harvard professors."
https://psmag.com/economics/black-male-faces-3571
"The definition of implicit bias is as follows:
The unconscious attitudes, stereotypes and unintentional actions (positive or negative) towards members of a group merely because of their membership in that group.
These associations develop over the course of a lifetime beginning at a very early age through exposure to direct and indirect messages. When people are acting out of their implicit bias, they are not even aware that their actions are biased. In fact, those biases may be in direct conflict with a person’s explicit beliefs and values."
https://www.adl.org/education/resources/tools-and-strategies/table-talk/race-perception-and-implicit-bias
@joe-shmo saidMaybe it should have been mentioned that conservatives on the SCOTUS struck down Chicago's handgun ban in 2010: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/06/28/128163284/supreme-court-strikes-down-chicago-handgun-ban
Again. Largest mass shooting of 2020...not a single mention of gun control on any major news network.
See how easy it is to prove you are a smuck?
@joe-shmo saidYawn.
Again, sorry. Third Largest!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFay3HZnFyI
Guess what they all have in common? No mass mobilization of national media to push for gun control...very odd...
P.S. Lets see how many morons think because they were motorcycle gangs that they were all white? haahhaha
What does that have to do with the fact of police brutality targeting blacks?
Nothing.
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https://www.thetrace.org/2020/09/mass-shootings-2020-gun-violence-black-neighborhoods/
The mass shootings have disproportionately occurred in predominantly Black neighborhoods. Nearly 50 percent of the shootings analyzed by The Trace took place in majority-Black census tracts, though less than 10 percent of census tracts nationally have majority Black populations. The pattern held in almost every city that has had more than five mass shootings in 2020. In Chicago, for example, 31 out of 36 shootings with four or more victims happened in majority-Black census tracts. In Detroit and Milwaukee, each of which saw five mass shootings, all of them occurred in majority-Black neighborhoods.
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The only reason they don't make up 90% of all murders instead of just 50% ( despite being just 12% of the population) annually is because they don't seem to be able to aim... In those top 3 mass shootings only 3 people were killed, but 50 were shot, and probably 400 shots were fired in the exchanges!!
This was just last month.
https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/more-than-100-shots-fired-at-kc-club-1-man-left-with-life-threatening-injuries/article_9a6adb18-85c6-11eb-8b60-1f04fca41389.html
One man was left with life-threatening injuries after more than 100 shots were fired at a club in south KC early Sunday.
You people are freaking out of your minds if you don't think this is relevant!
The dims want to way overplay police brutality, and completely ignore the gd the black elephant sitting on there chest suffocating them. It might very well be intentional. If there are no police, they will just exterminate themselves.