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@no1marauder saidNo, there is a number. That is the very job of VAERS. Stop lying.
There is no VAERS reported deaths number from the vaccines as the articles I cited to patiently explain.
You can call it raw data if you like, but it is data with a number. Admit it.
If you don't want to post the number now that you know the CDC once said VAERS was an under estimate just say so. We all know you don't want to explain your conspiracy theory of people conspiring to falsely report gene vaccines deaths.
https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/latest-vaers-data-shows-youngest-washington-death-after-a-covid-19-shot/
@no1marauder saidLet's look at the 3 US politicians at the apex of the political hierarchy during 2021.
90% completion of the "primary course" is two shots of Pfizer or Moderna and no boosters.
As I've told you numerous times, since one doesn't have any "right" to spread deadly contagious diseases, reasonable mandatory measures to control such diseases are no more objectionable than speed limits or stop signs around elementary schools.
There is no libertarian principle that allows you to harm others or to unreasonably put them in danger.
1: President Biden. Said he took the gene vaccine and got covid twice.
2: Kamal Harris. Got covid
3: Nancy Pelosi. Got covid
I have 2 question for you.
Are you claiming that when all 3 got covid they were spreading it less than the unvaccinated?
Also, are you in favor of allowing those who already got covid to be exempt from a mandate?
@metal-brain saidYou're the one who is lying; the number it gives is not of deaths from the vaccines.
No, there is a number. That is the very job of VAERS. Stop lying.
You can call it raw data if you like, but it is data with a number. Admit it.
If you don't want to post the number now that you know the CDC once said VAERS was an under estimate just say so. We all know you don't want to explain your conspiracy theory of people conspiring to falsely report gene vaccin ...[text shortened]... w.clarkcountytoday.com/news/latest-vaers-data-shows-youngest-washington-death-after-a-covid-19-shot/
You know this; it has been shown to you at least a dozen times.
@metal-brain saidI'm not going to keep wasting my time with this BS; I've presented the data showing that the vaccinated have much less chance of spreading the disease (even if they get it - which the vaccine makes less likely) numerous times. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/breakthrough-sars-cov-2-clear-quickly-less-likely-to-spread-infection/
Let's look at the 3 US politicians at the apex of the political hierarchy during 2021.
1: President Biden. Said he took the gene vaccine and got covid twice.
2: Kamal Harris. Got covid
3: Nancy Pelosi. Got covid
I have 2 question for you.
Are you claiming that when all 3 got covid they were spreading it less than the unvaccinated?
Also, are you in favor of allowing those who already got covid to be exempt from a mandate?
No, of course not, having had COVID does not insure you won't get it again, so there is no reason to exempt people who had it from reasonable mandates.
Unless Wajoma has something to say that doesn't incorporate the crank conspiracy theories you have spouted for more than 2 and a half years, I'm done with responding to either of you.
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@no1marauder saidThey are "reported" deaths and you know it. What is the number of "reported" deaths from the gene vaccines? We can debate the accuracy of "reported" deaths after you post the number. Stop pretending the number doesn't exist. VAERS has an identification number for every death reported as you can see in the link below.
You're the one who is lying; the number it gives is not of deaths from the vaccines.
You know this; it has been shown to you at least a dozen times.
https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/latest-vaers-data-shows-youngest-washington-death-after-a-covid-19-shot/
"You know this; it has been shown to you at least a dozen times."
That is a lie. Stop bloody lying!
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@no1marauder saidhttps://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/579068-vaccinated-just-as-likely-to-spread-delta-variant-as-unvaccinated-study/
I'm not going to keep wasting my time with this BS; I've presented the data showing that the vaccinated have much less chance of spreading the disease (even if they get it - which the vaccine makes less likely) numerous times. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/breakthrough-sars-cov-2-clear-quickly-less-likely-to-spread-infection/
No, of course not, havin ...[text shortened]... eories you have spouted for more than 2 and a half years, I'm done with responding to either of you.
It is based on this study:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext#seccestitle160
Interpretation:
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
And this is the Delta Variant, not Omicron. You found a confirmation bias that is outdated and you have been informed that viral load is no worse with the unvaccinated.
Biden, Harris and Pelosi all got covid. Biden got it twice, so getting being less likely is not demonstrated by the 3 top government officials. Let's add Shumer to that.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/10/politics/chuck-schumer-has-covid/index.html
Lindsay Graham too.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-tests-positive-covid-despite-vaccinated
Last but not least, Fauci himself.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/15/dr-fauci-tests-positive-for-covid-is-having-mild-symptoms.html
Less likely to get it my ass!
@metal-brain saidThey are not reported deaths from the vaccines:
They are "reported" deaths and you know it. What is the number of "reported" deaths from the gene vaccines? We can debate the accuracy of "reported" deaths after you post the number. Stop pretending the number doesn't exist. VAERS has an identification number for every death reported as you can see in the link below.
https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/latest-vaers-d ...[text shortened]... ou know this; it has been shown to you at least a dozen times."
That is a lie. Stop bloody lying!
"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires health care providers to report any serious adverse event (including death) that happens after a COVID-19 vaccination – whether or not the provider thinks there is any link. The CDC says, "Health care providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination…regardless if the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE." AE stands for adverse event and includes death.
That means that if a vaccinated person drowns, gets in a car crash or is struck by lightning, their death must be reported to VAERS as an adverse event. Since we've vaccinated over 223 million people in the United States, many deaths will occur coincidentally after vaccination.
As of Nov. 2, people have reported to VAERS 14,506 deaths that occurred sometime after COVID-19 vaccination. Doctors at the CDC review each reported death, looking at death certificates, autopsy and medical records. Additional CDC vaccine safety monitoring systems such as the National Healthcare Safety Network, Vaccine Safety Datalink, Clinical Immununization Safety Assessment Project and FDA's vaccine safety reporting systems are then used to provide more rigorous scientific investigation of potential adverse events. The true number of deaths currently attributed to COVID-19 vaccines in detailed scientific investigation is quite small.
False reports to VAERS
VAERS is like the Wikipedia of data reporting. Anyone can report anything. Many reports are helpful. Some reports are nonsense – to prove the point, one anesthesiologist successfully submitted a VAERS report several years ago that the flu vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. More recently, a false report of a 2-year-old dying from a COVID-19 vaccine was removed from VAERS because the CDC says it was "completely made up."
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines
You have been shown these facts numerous times yet insist on lying about what the VAERS data means.
I suppose you'll soon start a thread about the dangers of the flu vaccine turning people into the Incredible Hulk.
@no1marauder saidVAERS is widely acknowledged, even by the CDC, to be vastly underreported. From their Dataguide:
They are not reported deaths from the vaccines:
"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires health care providers to report any serious adverse event (including death) that happens after a COVID-19 vaccination – whether or not the provider thinks there is any link. The CDC says, [b]"Health care providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse ...[text shortened]... ll soon start a thread about the dangers of the flu vaccine turning people into the Incredible Hulk.
"'Under reporting' is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, under reporting, refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of under reporting varies widely."
https://openvaers.com/faq/what-is-underreporting-and-why-it-matters
14,506 deaths is an underestimate according to the CDC. The CDC said that is a "fraction" of the real amount. So 14,506 deaths is a bare minimum. Stop your denial.
@metal-brain said14.000 people did not die from the vaccinations, moron.
VAERS is widely acknowledged, even by the CDC, to be vastly underreported. From their Dataguide:
"'Under reporting' is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, under reporting, refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of under reporting varies widely."
...[text shortened]... said that is a "fraction" of the real amount. So 14,506 deaths is a bare minimum. Stop your denial.
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@metal-brain saidYou are pedaling misinformation. Of course, VAERS undercounts adverse events; few people who get a cough or runny nose a week after getting a vaccine are going to run to their computer and go to a government website to report it even though it qualifies as an "adverse event."
VAERS is widely acknowledged, even by the CDC, to be vastly underreported. From their Dataguide:
"'Under reporting' is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, under reporting, refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of under reporting varies widely."
...[text shortened]... said that is a "fraction" of the real amount. So 14,506 deaths is a bare minimum. Stop your denial.
But as my link clearly states health care providers are required to report deaths after the vaccines even if it is obvious there was another cause of that death. So where is the possibility of undercounts?
@shavixmir saidThat is true. It is at least14,506 you moron.
14.000 people did not die from the vaccinations, moron.
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@no1marauder said"But as my link clearly states health care providers are required to report deaths after the vaccines even if it is obvious there was another cause of that death. So where is the possibility of undercounts?
You are pedaling misinformation. Of course, VAERS undercounts adverse events; few people who get a cough or runny nose a week after getting a vaccine are going to run to their computer and go to a government website to report it even though it qualifies as an "adverse event."
But as my link clearly states health care providers are required to report deaths after the v ...[text shortened]... if it is obvious there was another cause of that death. So where is the possibility of undercounts?
Most health care providers are not doing that. Why would they unless they work for the FDA? Few health care providers do work for the FDA. If most health care workers were that the number would be much higher.
@metal-brain saidWhat is the source of your (mis)information?
"But as my link clearly states health care providers are required to report deaths after the vaccines even if it is obvious there was another cause of that death. So where is the possibility of undercounts?
Then health care providers are not doing that. If they were that number would be much higher.
@no1marauder saidMost health care providers do NOT work for the FDA, so why would they?
What is the source of your (mis)information?