Originally posted by Ringtailhunteri'm not knocking your opinion here as its perfectly valid, but going off the language you use in the thread, i'm going to guess your not from england, in which case the belief's and tolerance are most probably quite different in your country.
I have two daughters, and I will say that if some 17,18+ boy came snoopin around my girls at the age proposed here in this thread, I would have to say that I bet I can run faster with a bat mad than the kid can run scared.
RTh
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Originally posted by mc2005What's this "normal stuff" you keep referring to?
i'm not knocking your opinion here as its perfectly valid, but going off the language you use in the thread, i'm going to guess your not from england, in which case the belief's and tolerance are most probably quite different in your country.
If I were you, I'd keep well away for a couple of years.
BTW: your attitude sucks. You shouldn't have posted the question in a public forum if you're just going to discard opinions you don't like with "Yeah, well you don't know here/me/it". Its pretty obvious that none of us know the people involved, so any advice should just be taken as "in general".
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Originally posted by mc2005In the end different countries take different stances on the whole age approach. But I myself an english 19 year old male would say leave well alone. Don't play with fire. But that's my opinion.
the only posts i have discarded are those which fit more into the "idiotic flaming" category, rather than the "mature opinion" category. I have listened to all the others. I didn't expect many ppl to see my point of view on this, just wanted to post something that could be debated.
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Originally posted by mc2005Answer my last post, please.... who's an idiot?
the only posts i have discarded are those which fit more into the "idiotic flaming" category, rather than the "mature opinion" category. I have listened to all the others. I didn't expect many ppl to see my point of view on this, just wanted to post something that could be debated.
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Please... just cuz you don't agree, does not make them idiotic. You really should have started this thread in General forums if you had your mind made up.
I will admit I am in the US... and based all my info on US laws and customs. If things are different over there, bully on you.
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Originally posted by mc2005Mac, I'm one of the people who generally supports 17/14 relationships. On what should be an unrelated topic, I am not from England. I don't think being English has anything to do with it really.
the only posts i have discarded are those which fit more into the "idiotic flaming" category, rather than the "mature opinion" category. I have listened to all the others. I didn't expect many ppl to see my point of view on this, just wanted to post something that could be debated.
I think Xanthos is right though. You should make your intentions clear to the parents by not being a lurker. I have a daughter, and while she's still many years away from dating, I can understand how that would make a parent feel more comfortable.
Now to the people who completely disagree with a 17- or 18-year-old dating a 14-year-old, I would argue that most of the 14-year-old girls I remember were just as or even more mature than a great many 17- or 18-year-old boys. Moreover, while one may fear that these older boys will try to get in their daughters pants, I can guarentee you that 15- and 16-year-old boys are no better. They are all horny little devils; some are just better at restraining themselves.
Finally, when my daughter is 14, if a 17- or 18-year-old guy starts dating her, I'll give him just as much as if he were a 13-year-old. Oh yeah, and if your out of your teens, better duck, cause I'm swinging for a knockout!
Originally posted by Phlabibitwhat exactly am i meant to be answering? i see no questions in this post.
Most all my posts are quick and to the point.... not sure how you confused that with 'maturity'.
I didn't realize you had already made up your mind. Next time you start a thread, let me know. I'll close it for you so no one else can speak their mind.
No, I'm not kidding.
I've counted 5 users agree, 6 don't... count for yourself and let ...[text shortened]... om one of the users that agrees with you:
'I can always make her have a abortion.'
Nice.
I have no desire to go through the thread counting the approvals and disapprovals, as numbers mean nothing. All i'm interested in is the opinions of others, who also justify there opinion. Your opinion was not justified, it was just a cocky comment which was clearly a poor attempt at sarcasm. Now if you'd like to state your opinion again with a reason why then maybe i'll take it into consideration.
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Originally posted by mc2005There does not need to be questions to have someone answer a post... I'm just wondering where you get off questioning someone's maturity just because they don't agree with you... on top of all the other info involved with a 17 year old dating a 14 year old.
what exactly am i meant to be answering? i see no questions in this post.
I have no desire to go through the thread counting the approvals and disapprovals, as numbers mean nothing. All i'm interested in is the opinions of others, who a ...[text shortened]... in with a reason why then maybe i'll take it into consideration.
My reasoning for this is she is too young, would you like me to say it another way? Why? She's too young for you in my mind. It is just how I feel about it.
Do you plan to talk to this girl's father? Are you afraid to? How do you think he's going to respond to you?
Keep us posted.
You've attacked any user that does not agree with you. You are side stepping by avoiding the points I've brought up.
This is a hot topic, and I'm treating it like this girl is my child. You want to date someone who I feel is not ready for you, so I might sound harsh I guess. Talk to her father or mother, and let me know what they thinks about it. After all, it is their daughter.
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Edit! No, you don't need to count like I did... I only did so because you said 'most agree with you'. Well, they did not.
So, if you plan to make statements like that... I say you should learn to count, or keep statements like that out of your post.
Originally posted by PhlabibitIt wasn't the fact u didn't agree with me, it was just the way in which you presented your disagreement.
There does not need to be questions to have someone answer a post... I'm just wondering where you get off questioning someone's maturity just because they don't agree with you... on top of all the other info involved with a 17 year old dating a 14 year old.
My reasoning for this is she is too young, would you like me to say it another way? Why? Sh ...[text shortened]... ts like that... I say you should learn to count, or keep statements like that out of your post.
I don't intend to talk to her father no, she's had boyfriends who are 16 before, and he's fine with them. But i think he'd accept it anyway.
I haven't "attacked" them, i've merely questioned them and debated with them. (hence the forum name "debates"😉.
Originally posted by mc2005First of all it is not my opinion.....it is a reality.
i'm not knocking your opinion here as its perfectly valid, but going off the language you use in the thread, i'm going to guess your not from england, in which case the belief's and tolerance are most probably quite different in your country.
I will get to second of all later!
The wife wants to "talk" to me in the other room while the kids are napping.
Be back in two!
RTh
Originally posted by Ringtailhunterwhen you come back to give us the second of all, please state your source as to it being a reality on a global scale.
First of all it is not my opinion.....it is a reality.
I will get to second of all later!
The wife wants to "talk" to me in the other room while the kids are napping.
Be back in two!
RTh
Ok I am back.
The difference between the ages is quite large when you think of life experience and mind development as far as making decisions and the like.
I will say though, if it is something that is destined to be it will wait for a few years.
I cannot be totally judgmental in this situation, because I do not know the people involved, but I still stick to my reality involving a bat as applies to immature older boys chasing after 14-16 year old girls; especially mine. It leads me to believe that there is a real problem with the boy.
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Originally posted by mc2005Sweet Pickles, bud.
It wasn't the fact u didn't agree with me, it was just the way in which you presented your disagreement.
I don't intend to talk to her father no, she's had boyfriends who are 16 before, and he's fine with them. But i think he'd acc ...[text shortened]... em and debated with them. (hence the forum name "debates"😉.
Check this out.
I just asked my wife... "How old should a girl be if they are to be dating a 17 year old'?
She said, "Um, 15... hmmm... 16? Yeah, they should at least be driving age."
Next she said, "Well, I guess I would have dated about half as many people back then if I stuck to that rule."
Anyway, I can't say any reasons... I just think 17 and 14 is too young.
I think I was 17 when I dated a 15 year old, went out with her for about 3 years. Next, I was about 21 when I dated a 17 year old... dated for about 15 years... got wed last September, have a kid coming in late September. I have no other children, as I've only probably slept with 4 different girls... I'll call them girls I guess since me and them were very young at the time.
I'm trying to lighten up and share in this post, as I feel we've been arguing, and not debating. You will make your decisions, and that is great... you will also make your mistakes, and when you get my age... have someone tell you 'you are wrong'.
I'm old enough to be either your parents, and am glad I am not. I know you 'don't plan' sex... and I hope you stick to that. Not because I care about what you do, but more so what's up with her and her family.
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Edit! More to share... I had seen my wife when I was 18 or so, and really though about getting to know her and dump the other girl. Guess what? She was 14, and I was a year older than you. Had I dated her back then, who know who I'd be now? Who knows who I would be with? Who knows anything??? I'm just sure that wither we would not be together... and perhaps we'd have an 18 year old on our hands? No telling, but I am glad we met 3 years later.
That is all speculation, based on... what was going on when I was your age.
Not sure anyone wants my opinion but going to give it anyway.
At 13/14 you presume you are mature enough to deal with the complications of dating older boys (17/18). The need to prove this maturity most often leads to young girls giving in to the sexual desires of teenage boys. This can be hazerdous to the emotional development of young females.
As a mother of 3 daughters, I would never allow it. I would highly question the need for a 17 yr old boy to want to "hang out" with a 14 yr old girl. If the interest is really there then the guy would have no problem respecting the age difference and waiting a few years before persuing a more mature relationship.