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@no1marauder saidhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_at_Arms_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives
It never happened as Chris Miller testified under oath. For the record:
"The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President. " https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/
Not to the Speaker of the House or anybody else except to subordinates of the President.
Your own link also says this:
"This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army."
@metal-brain saidNo the DoD didn't and Trump runs the DoD anyway.
During the violence on Jan. 6, Sund repeated his request, but help was delayed until after the riot ended, because Irving needed to run it up the chain of command, a.k.a. Pelosi.
“The Speaker’s office was heavily involved in planning and decision-making before and during the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and micromanaged the Sergeant at Arms.”
https://nypost.com/2022/12/2 ...[text shortened]... uard. Are you blaming Trump for the DOD delaying deployment of the NG "during" the riots? Yes or no?
You do understand that, right?
@no1marauder saidThe Department of Defense initially denied D.C. officials' request to deploy the guard. Are you blaming Trump for the DOD delaying deployment of the NG "during" the riots? Yes or no?
Where does that say anything about the DC Guard?
@metal-brain saidSo what? They are subordinates of the President and he is responsible for their actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_at_Arms_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives
Your own link also says this:
"This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army."
IF Trump had really authorized the deployment of 10,000 troops from the DC Guard like he claimed, they would have been deployed and nothing anybody else said would have mattered. But he never gave such an order.
@metal-brain saidI see no evidence of that.
The Department of Defense initially denied D.C. officials' request to deploy the guard. Are you blaming Trump for the DOD delaying deployment of the NG "during" the riots? Yes or no?
But even if it was true, Trump runs the DoD so he would be responsible.
And are you talking NOW about "during" the riot? Or before the riot like the last page?
Make up your mind.
@no1marauder saidAre you denying that the DOD offered NG "before" the 6th?
So what? They are subordinates of the President and he is responsible for their actions.
IF Trump had really authorized the deployment of 10,000 troops from the DC Guard like he claimed, they would have been deployed and nothing anybody else said would have mattered. But he never gave such an order.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777
@metal-brain saidJesus Christ, make up your mind!
Are you denying that the DOD offered NG "before" the 6th?
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777
The article you're quoting is discussing January 6th, not before:
"Matthews’ memo begins by focusing on a 2:30 p.m. conference call on Jan. 6 that included senior military and law enforcement officials, himself and Walker among them. Then-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund “pleaded” on the call for the immediate deployment of the National Guard to the Capitol, Matthews recalled, saying that rioters had breached the building’s perimeter. Walker has also told Congress that Sund made that plea then. According to Matthews, Flynn and Piatt both opposed the move."
That's YOUR article!
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@no1marauder saidYou are simply wrong. You can download the timeline from this website:
Jesus Christ, make up your mind!
The article you're quoting is discussing January 6th, not before:
"Matthews’ memo begins by focusing on a 2:30 p.m. conference call on Jan. 6 that included senior military and law enforcement officials, himself and Walker among them. Then-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund “pleaded” on the call for the immediate deployment of th ...[text shortened]... at plea then. According to Matthews, Flynn and Piatt both opposed the move."
That's YOUR article!
https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national-guard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald
no1 fell for a trick by the lying fact checkers. Trump's DOD authorized deployment of the NG at the Capitol before Jan 6th. So the so called fact checkers tell you about events "during" Jan 6th when the authorization for NG deployment was "before" Jan 6th effectively conflating some truth with a lie.
Trump's DOD authorized deployment of the NG at the Capitol before Jan 6th.
Capitol Police Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher rejected the offer. Sund resigned and later blamed Pelosi saying she was involved.
@metal-brain saidI couldn’t get beyond “did Trump lie” 😂😂😂
Or did Kristen Welker lie about Trump?
On NBC's Meet the Press today they showed a clip of Trump mistaking Nikki for Pelosi and Trump (thinking he was talking about Pelosi) said he authorized 10,000 national guard troops for the Capitol and Pelosi turned it down. Kristen Welker said that was not even true because Nancy Pelosi was not in charge of security, but a house ...[text shortened]... atement is true and Kristen Welker is spreading (propaganda) misinformation on NBC's Meet the Press.
@kevcvs57 saidKristen Welker lied about Trump.
I couldn’t get beyond “did Trump lie” 😂😂😂
Do you think Trump is the only person that lies?
Trump would not keep ranting about how he authorized NG to DC unless it was true.
It obviously bothers him that people are lying about that. That is why he keeps bringing it up. Welker is stupid to think Trump would keep repeating a lie right in the primary election cycle. So are you.
@Metal-Brain
You are a flaming hypocrite, one post you condemn Trump, another you defend him with the BS Pelosi had authority to use NG. If she had the authority she would have used it. Trump didn't want ANYONE stopping the insurrection, instead eating popcorn and watching the whole thing unfold on TV like we all did.
Your putting up all this BS shows clearly you are a traitor to the US and am doing your REAL bosses bidding, PUTIN, nice going COMRADE.
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@sonhouse saidIrrelevant! Who claimed Pelosi had authority to use NG? Nobody.
@Metal-Brain
You are a flaming hypocrite, one post you condemn Trump, another you defend him with the BS Pelosi had authority to use NG. If she had the authority she would have used it. Trump didn't want ANYONE stopping the insurrection, instead eating popcorn and watching the whole thing unfold on TV like we all did.
Your putting up all this BS shows clearly you are a traitor to the US and am doing your REAL bosses bidding, PUTIN, nice going COMRADE.
That is a strawman argument.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
"Trump didn't want ANYONE stopping the insurrection, instead eating popcorn and watching the whole thing unfold on TV like we all did."
I am going to create a thread about that.
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@metal-brain said“ Trump would not keep ranting about how he authorized NG to DC unless it was true.”
Kristen Welker lied about Trump.
Do you think Trump is the only person that lies?
Trump would not keep ranting about how he authorized NG to DC unless it was true.
It obviously bothers him that people are lying about that. That is why he keeps bringing it up. Welker is stupid to think Trump would keep repeating a lie right in the primary election cycle. So are you.
well by that logic I guess the 2020 election actually was election because he’s still telling that lie 4 yrs on. He tells ies and sticks with those lies in the knowledge that there are a sizeable minority of Americans who are either stupid enough to believe a lie if you say it often enough or simply want the lie to be true so join him in the known lie.
@metal-brain saidNothing you have cited supports the claim Trump made. Testimony in front of Congress by the Acting Secretary of Defense at the time refutes it.
no1 fell for a trick by the lying fact checkers. Trump's DOD authorized deployment of the NG at the Capitol before Jan 6th. So the so called fact checkers tell you about events "during" Jan 6th when the authorization for NG deployment was "before" Jan 6th effectively conflating some truth with a lie.
Trump's DOD authorized deployment of the NG at the Capitol before Jan ...[text shortened]... ef Sean Gallagher rejected the offer. Sund resigned and later blamed Pelosi saying she was involved.
The fact that you think what Trump says must be true because he keeps saying it shows how unbelievably gullible you are but Nothing more.