11 Oct 20
Earlier in the year, we discussed the stabbing of a Trump conservative in Washington at a rally, and we also discussed the Kyle Rittenhouse issue. I believe we also discussed the shooting of Jay Danielson's. whose shooter was killed by Federal agents when resisting being apprehended.
We have yet another shooting that grew out of a confrontation between rival protests.
The shooting, which was caught on multiple livestreams and shared on social media, involved a man participating in what was billed as a “Patriot Rally” of conservative Trump supporters. The rally was organized by John Tiegen, a right-wing social media figure. Conservatives carried banners that mocked communism and chanted slogans in support of the police.
Left-wing activists showed up to counter-protest the event with a competing event dubbed the “BLM-Antifa Soup Drive,” but the event quickly turned violent as left-wing activists faced off against conservatives.
The Denver Post initially reported that the right-wing protester allegedly sprayed mace at a Black Lives Matter supporter, who retaliated by fatally shooting him with a handgun. The police arrested two men almost immediately after the shooting occurred, in scenes captured on livestream.
Shortly after, the Denver Police provided a briefing, indicating that they have not determined any affiliation for the suspect.
Footage of the incident appears to back up the initial report.
Police say that they are now working on a homicide investigation following the killing.
According to someone claiming to be a witness to the event on Reddit who was “front row to this shooting,” two men were arguing and pushing. The purported witness claims that he thought the police would step in but made no movement to break up the argument.
This will be increasingly problematic: the lack of will for the Police to respond to escalating violence between rival political groups.
It may be the case that some sort of special, national laws need to be put into play requiring state and local police agencies to be more vigilant or be held responsible for allowing protests to turn violent through negligence. Of course, this does not diminish the personal responsibility of attendees and their own role in the violence, but we are talking about a lack of proactive policing resulting in more violence.
But that might be hard for BLM supporters & Anarchists to agree with.
“One person was telling the other, ‘Go ahead, mace me bro. Mace me! What are you gonna do? Why don’t you mace me?!’ More pushing. A burst of orange mace erupts and the BANG one single shot,” he wrote. “The larger man fell backwards and the shooter held his hands and gun (still in hands) up in the air. Police rush in, arrest the shooter and surround the body on the ground. They then clear everyone out and that’s when I left.”
According to Denver Post, the two groups faced off in competing rallies around the Civic Center. As the rallies grew, members from the two groups confronted each other with shouts while police stood by. A left-wing protestor burned a Thin Blue Line flag in front of officers to taunt them.
One hour into the dueling protests, police were forced to deploy pepperballs at Antifa militants who became increasingly belligerent, as Antifa militants and Black Lives Matter supporters headed into the amphitheater area, where right-wing protestors were gathered. The left-wing group then attempted to tear down the barrier dividing the two groups, prompting police to deploy less-lethal weapons at the left-wing belligerents.
Some arrests here or other decisive action could have changed the whole afternoon.
Denver Police later tweeted that they determined that the suspect is a "private security guard with no affiliation with Antifa," but speculation remains about the shooter's motives.
Other news articles have noted that his social media includes plenty of leftist political posts and Andy Ngo recently revealed that he has no license to be a security guard.
New information suggests that the shooter was hired by 9News as a security guard. A producer for the station and the security guard were taken into police custody. Police released the producer but held the security guard over the shooting.
A security guard for journalists, nonetheless!
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-alleged-antifa-militant-shoots-and-kills-conservative-at-patriot-rally-in-denver
Foonote: Andy Ngo - not a security guard:
“We do not currently have an active license & have never had an active license for anybody with that name. If he was operating as a security guard, he was in violation of the law.”
No record of security license for Denver patriot rally shooter.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1315423591039733761
In this Tweet, Ngo references the far left social media posts:
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1315370889404395524
12 Oct 20
@philokalia saidThe guy attacked an armed man. What do you expect?
Earlier in the year, we discussed the stabbing of a Trump conservative in Washington at a rally, and we also discussed the Kyle Rittenhouse issue. I believe we also discussed the shooting of Jay Danielson's. whose shooter was killed by Federal agents when resisting being apprehended.
We have yet another shooting that grew out of a confrontation between rival protests. ...[text shortened]... eferences the far left social media posts:
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1315370889404395524
12 Oct 20
@athousandyoung saidThis was the logic that many conservatives used in the Rittenhouse one.
The guy attacked an armed man. What do you expect?
Do you approve of Rittenhouse's use of force?
12 Oct 20
@philokalia saidRittenhouse is a criminal who illegally immigrated to Portland to kill the people there. No this is more like the Zimmerman case.
This was the logic that many conservatives used in the Rittenhouse one.
Do you approve of Rittenhouse's use of force?
12 Oct 20
@athousandyoung saidI think you made a mistake on this.
Rittenhouse is a criminal who illegally immigrated to Portland to kill the people there. No this is more like the Zimmerman case.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/
@philokalia saidYes, the minor who illegally crossed state lines with a firearm he was not permitted to have by law and is refusing to go back the the state he is accused in to face justice. That's him.
I think you made a mistake on this.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/
12 Oct 20
@athousandyoung saidI have heard it said that he had received the weapon from someone else in Wisconsin.
Yes, the minor who illegally crossed state lines with a firearm he was not permitted to have by law and is refusing to go back the the state he is accused in to face justice. That's him.
He is also not really refusing to do anything -- he doesn't have much choice as he has been arrested!
His lawyers are fighting against a decision. That's all.
@athousandyoung saidGeorge Zimmerman was on the ground getting his head pummeled, big difference.
George Zimmerman set a precedent that says using concealed pistols to shoot people who attack you is justified no matter how aggressive you are being.
The shooter here just got slapped and was in no further danger.
