@no1marauder saidYes, I have no idea. I am not in that line of work. I do not understand why you ask this question of me. I know nothing about Border Management. If it was on my itinerary, I would hire people who would figure it out.
So you have no idea what to actually do.
Thanks for sharing.
What are you getting at? I don't understand why you would ask me that. Why don't you ask Suzianne or Zhalanzi that. You would have the same response, don't you see? You see, no one on the Forum could answer such a question. Here is one for you.
How would you cure cancer.
I guess anyone here could be a smarty. What great posts.
Pitiful. You are pitiful, man. Did you not hear in college to never ask a question that you do not know the answer to?
@KellyJay saidNo one is despite your gullible acceptance of such a right wing fairy tale.
I'm not the one suggesting it is perfectly okay to have our borders open so every criminal under the sun can come in on the taxpayer dime. If that is being a lying, ignorant clown fine by me, I'll take that over what you are pushing.
@AverageJoe1 saidThis is a public policy issue not one requiring specialized technical expertise. I find it hard to believe those on this board can easily dismiss the bipartisan border bill and/or present immigration policy while not having a clue what to put in its place.
Yes, I have no idea. I am not in that line of work. I do not understand why you ask this question of me. I know nothing about Border Management. If it was on my itinerary, I would hire people who would figure it out.
What are you getting at? I don't understand why you would ask me that. Why don't you ask Suzianne or Zhalanzi that. You would have the same response, ...[text shortened]... tiful, man. Did you not hear in college to never ask a question that you do not know the answer to?
This is a Debates Forum, not a formal cross-examination, so the guideline you mention in your last sentence doesn't apply.
I personally am quite prepared to discuss specific policy ideas concerning the border even if no right winger here is.
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@no1marauder said"Immigration under the circumstances the US is presently under....."
Of course, immigration under the circumstances the US is presently under has a large net economic benefit, so attempts to discourage it are beyond foolish.
"Has a large economic benefit".
Is it a benefit when they have cost us, So Far, $150 Billlion? And, has cost us lives and debauched daughters? You want to tell Kelly Jay and myself how that is a benefit?
You really nailed it to say that I should be able to give you an answer on the solution. Yeah, I think there is only one. Totally close the border, untill we can answer the NEXT question, what to do with these illegal people that are already here.
Edit: Shav says there is no such thing as an illegal person. Do you believe that?
KELLY JAY: "I'm not the one suggesting it is perfectly okay to have our borders open so every criminal under the sun can come in on the taxpayer dime. If that is being a lying, ignorant clown fine by me, I'll take that over what you are pushing."
This Paragraph by Kelly Jay deserves it's own post by me. How 'bout you justify opening border to everyone under the sun? Take a chance on getting into a Suzianne-type tongue twister.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhy in hell would I attempt to justify opening the border only the brainwashed brain dead do that!
KELLY JAY: "I'm not the one suggesting it is perfectly okay to have our borders open so every criminal under the sun can come in on the taxpayer dime. If that is being a lying, ignorant clown fine by me, I'll take that over what you are pushing."
This Paragraph by Kelly Jay deserves it's own post by me. How 'bout you justify opening border to everyone under the sun? Take a chance on getting into a Suzianne-type tongue twister.
@KellyJay saidThe liberal sect always tries in posts to be erudite and deep thinking, reaching beyond common sense as if there is an underlying life-meaning, something bigger than the shallow concept of common sense. An underlying, unknown purpose to be discovered?? I think I said that right.
Why in hell would I attempt to justify opening the border only the brainwashed brain dead do that!
When you realize that the people like that violate the number one rule of mankind, which is to not attempt possession of the life and stuff of others, all of their arguments fall flat on their face.
@AverageJoe1 saidThen answer the question:
"Immigration under the circumstances the US is presently under....."
"Has a large economic benefit".
Is it a benefit when they have cost us, So Far, $150 Billlion? And, has cost us lives and debauched daughters? You want to tell Kelly Jay and myself how that is a benefit?
You really nailed it to say that I should be able to give you an answer on the solutio ...[text shortened]... already here.
Edit: Shav says there is no such thing as an illegal person. Do you believe that?
What specifically do you mean by "close the border"?
As I already pointed out, the border isn't "open" now; that is just a ridiculous right wing talking point. Removals, deportations and detainings at the border are literally more than a million people in the last few years.
And I already showed you the estimate of the net economic benefits of immigration over the next ten years; it's in the trillions of dollars.
@AverageJoe1 saidhttps://www.msnbc.com/jose-diaz-balart/watch/immigration-could-add-9-trillion-to-u-s-gdp-over-ten-years-report-213363269550
"Immigration under the circumstances the US is presently under....."
"Has a large economic benefit".
Is it a benefit when they have cost us, So Far, $150 Billlion? And, has cost us lives and debauched daughters? You want to tell Kelly Jay and myself how that is a benefit?
You really nailed it to say that I should be able to give you an answer on the solutio ...[text shortened]... already here.
Edit: Shav says there is no such thing as an illegal person. Do you believe that?
@AverageJoe1 saidHere's another report from the CBO finding that immigration will reduce the federal budget deficit by almost a trillion dollars over the next ten years.https://thehill.com/business/budget/4727842-immigration-surge-deficit-reduction/
KELLY JAY: "I'm not the one suggesting it is perfectly okay to have our borders open so every criminal under the sun can come in on the taxpayer dime. If that is being a lying, ignorant clown fine by me, I'll take that over what you are pushing."
This Paragraph by Kelly Jay deserves it's own post by me. How 'bout you justify opening border to everyone under the sun? Take a chance on getting into a Suzianne-type tongue twister.
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@AverageJoe1 saidMost Trump cult members take his lies over the truth every single day of the year.
KELLY JAY: "I'm not the one suggesting it is perfectly okay to have our borders open so every criminal under the sun can come in on the taxpayer dime. If that is being a lying, ignorant clown fine by me, I'll take that over what you are pushing."
This Paragraph by Kelly Jay deserves it's own post by me. How 'bout you justify opening border to everyone under the sun? Take a chance on getting into a Suzianne-type tongue twister.
Big deal. We're not impressed.
The border is not "open".
Trumpublicans love ignorant people. That's why Project 2025 wants to eliminate the Dept. of Education. The least you people could do is fight back and get an education so that you can discern a lie from the truth.
But no, you'd rather destroy America.
@no1marauder saidThere is NO border when People who come into our country are uninvited and against our laws. They are today just vetting themselves. So, it is open. Whew. Obtuse and obstinate at the same time.
Then answer the question:
What specifically do you mean by "close the border"?
As I already pointed out, the border isn't "open" now; that is just a ridiculous right wing talking point. Removals, deportations and detainings at the border are literally more than a million people in the last few years.
And I already showed you the estimate of the net economic benefits of immigration over the next ten years; it's in the trillions of dollars.
And ask away, I have no engineering education nor expertise in the movement of refugees and criminals and everything in between, do not know how to end this hell. How bout that....AvJoe admitting he does not know something. Can you IMAGINE one of liberal people admitting such a thing. Shav says everyone should have free healthcare. Cuba has 100% free healthcare. Imagine me chatting with him about free healtcare. The Forum is a very hard landscape!!!!
How bout I ask you how to keep fentanyl out of our country. You gonna give me an answer. Boring stuff here, Marauder.
Here is a question you can answer. Which of Harris and Trump could most likely come up with a plan to stave of the ruination of our nation?
Oh, I forgot. The illegal aliens, who have already cost us $150B and climbing, are going to make us all successful. Why dont you start a thread on 'How people from180 countiries,nonenglish speaking, are going to (pay us back the $150B) pay us back and make me rich, and give us back our murdered and our raped?
@no1marauder saidYes, an ESTIMATE in the trillions. Lets jawbone about estimates. Feed the not-info to SHouse and let him run with it.
Then answer the question:
What specifically do you mean by "close the border"?
As I already pointed out, the border isn't "open" now; that is just a ridiculous right wing talking point. Removals, deportations and detainings at the border are literally more than a million people in the last few years.
And I already showed you the estimate of the net economic benefits of immigration over the next ten years; it's in the trillions of dollars.
Note the elephant is the slimy Dems doing this to our country to GARNER votes. Why you never admit that is quite not surprising.. it would be inconvenient.
You can’t kid a kidder No1.
@AverageJoe1
So we are to assume you would pick fruit in the fields when your orange blob closes the border and they deport 15 million people like Vance wants.
What could possibly go wrong.
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@sonhouse saidSonhouse. Would not the incoming welcome legal migrants, that Trump will allow to continue coming into the USA, be adequate to naturally replace the ones who are here now, which ones will die off and propogate by accretion?
@AverageJoe1
So we are to assume you would pick fruit in the fields when your orange blob closes the border and they deport 15 million people like Vance wants.
What could possibly go wrong.
We will ignore the way you are suggesting that there will be no immigrants to pick those crops. We will just ignore that.
Your response, please. Mine is, of course, that there will always be migrants picking the crops, who will learn english, and ply their trades as they assimilate into society, as suggested by Marauder. Marauder's problem, though, is to increase their swarms Four-fold. We only need the usual one-fold.