Good guys with guns

The US is a banana republic and half the population are morons.

Unbelievable. What a bloody train wreck of a nation.

@zahlanzi said
Happened already. People killed because some yahoo decided to be a hero and he missed. A good guy with a gun killed because the police mistook him for the shooter.

Why stop at teachers though. Let's give janitors guns as well. The lunch lady. Let's arm all people making less than a cop per year risk their lives in an active shooting.

@moonbus said
Hey, why stop at teachers and janitors? That would just mean that shooters would take out the teacher and the janitor before shooting up a classroom. Give every school child a gun. That way, when a shooter shows up, he'll be looking at the barrels of 35 school children's guns. Sure, the shooter might take out the first row of kids, but the rest of the kids will have him looki ...[text shortened]... et kids' frustration levels way down. Hey, this is such a win-win! Why didn't the NRA think of this?

@Wajoma

(Parody goes right over your head, doesn't it?)

It is already the case in America that everyone might be armed.

@moonbus said
@Wajoma

(Parody goes right over your head, doesn't it?)

It is already the case in America that everyone might be armed.

@averagejoe1 said
Who said the teachers would not be trained? You speak falsehoods!! So, you say we should have less guns? But Sue,the criminal culture will have more guns.
I predict that the people of culture will kill 12 of themselves in Chicago this weekend. What’s your prediction? The ones who stay alive,they will be totin guns. If you lived there Suzy you would be totin. I figure you for an S&W 380. Good choice.

@shavixmir you are correct.
May 27, 2022
Heather Cox Richardson
The timeline for the Uvalde massacre is becoming clearer.
After shooting his grandmother in the face and taking her truck, the gunman got to Robb Elementary School at 11:28 Tuesday morning and started firing into the school windows. A police officer responded to a call about the shooter but drove by him, instead mistaking a teacher for the suspect. The gunman got into the school through a door that had been propped open, and began his rampage down a hallway, ending up at about 11:30 in two joined fourth-grade classrooms, 111 and 112, with students and two teachers.
He apparently closed and locked the door. He shot the teachers first, and then students.
Local police responded, and several ran into the school. Two were wounded slightly at the doorway when bullets came through it. By noon, there were 19 police officers in the school and many others outside. Parents were gathering, urging the officers to charge the shooter. Officers warned them not to interfere with an ongoing investigation, arresting at least one and pinning another to the ground. By 12:15, a tactical team from the U.S. Border Patrol arrived at the school.
But there appears to have been confusion about who was in charge. Uvalde is a town of about 16,000 people, and it has a six-officer department to oversee eight schools, as well as a city police force with a SWAT team. The first people on the scene were city officers, but Pedro Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, took charge.
Arredondo apparently ordered the officers not to rush the classroom despite the sporadic gunfire coming from it. The head of the Texas state police, Steven C.McCraw, said today that, despite decades of active shooter trainings that call for rushing a gunman, Arredondo decided that the gunman had barricaded himself in the classroom and was no longer an active shooter, and thus there were no children at risk. He decided to wait for more equipment and more officers to arrive before attempting to break into the room.
At least two children trapped in the classroom with the shooter called 911 at least eight times during the siege to beg for help. “Please send the police now,” one girl whispered on one of her several calls.
At about 12:50, the Border Patrol officers got a key from a janitor, unlocked the door, stormed the room and killed the gunman.
The gunman was in the school for 78 minutes before law enforcement officers went in after him. He killed 21 people and wounded 17 more.
In a press conference today, McCraw called the delay in rushing the gunman “the wrong decision.” Asked what he would say to the parents, he responded: “I don’t have anything to say to the parents, other than what happened. We are not here to defend what happened, we are here to report the facts…. If I thought it would help, I would apologize.”
The events in Uvalde have dealt a devastating blow to the theory that a good guy with a gun will prevent gun violence.
A Politico/Morning Consult poll out Wednesday showed “huge support” for gun regulations. It showed that 88% of voters strongly or somewhat support background checks on all gun sales, while only 8% strongly or somewhat oppose such checks. That’s a net approval of +80.
Preventing gun sales to people who have been reported to police as dangerous by a mental health provider is supported by 84% of voters while only 9% oppose it, a net approval of +75.
Seventy-seven percent of voters support requiring guns to be stored in a safe storage unit, while only 15% oppose such a requirement, a net approval of +62.
A national database for gun sales gets 75% approval and 18% disapproval, a net approval rate of +57.
Banning assault style weapons like the AR-15 has an approval rate of 67% of voters while only 25% disapprove. That’s a net approval of +42.
And fifty-four percent of voters approve of arming teachers with concealed weapons, while only 34% oppose it, a net approval of +20.
And yet, their opposition to regulation and their embrace of cowboy individualism means Republicans have made it clear they will not entertain any measures to regulate gun ownership, except perhaps the last one, which teachers, parents, students, and the two largest teachers’ unions all overwhelmingly oppose.
The party appears to be doubling down on their support for expanded gun rights, trying to convince gun owners that the regulations under which we lived until 2004 will somehow end gun ownership altogether. Today, Texas Senator Ted Cruz seemed to be trying to distract the popular fury over the massacre with an argument that schools need fewer doors, a nonsensical argument that seemed designed to derail the public conversation as people go down rabbit holes talking about fire safety and extended school campuses, gym class, and recess, and murderers who simply pull fire alarms.
When the National Rifle Association opened its annual conference today in Houston, Texas, former president Trump attended, although others had begged off because of the massacre. “You are the backbone of our movement,” he told the crowd, which was not allowed to have guns—or knives, or laser pointers—in the General Assembly Hall to protect Trump’s safety. “He’s always with us, always supporting us, when a lot of people are running in the other direction,” a man from Houston told Glenn Thrush of the New York Times. “I think him coming here, at this time, is huge.”
But there is something else huge at work in the country right now, too. Protests against the weaponry that makes gun violence the leading cause of death for those between the ages of 1 and 24 are spreading. Today, more than 4000 protesters, including Beto O’Rourke, the Democratic candidate for Texas governor, gathered in the 93 degree heat outside the NRA convention to share their stories of gun violence and their contempt for leaders who refuse to stand against it. Children stood with pictures of the children murdered in Uvalde with signs that said: “Am I next?” O’Rourke told the crowd: “The time for us to stop mass shootings in this country is right now, right here, today.”
Tonight, Jocelyn Benson, the Michigan secretary of state who stood up to Trump when he accused her of preparing to rig the vote in 2020, tweeted: “The only thing that can stop a bad politician with a vote is a good citizen with a vote.”
Notes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/us/texas-shooting-911-call-press-conference.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-response-texas-massacre-under-scrutiny-details-remain-murky-2022-05-27/
Twitter avatar for @brianstelterBrian Stelter @brianstelter
>> @ShimonPro's first Q at the press conference: "You say there were 19 officers gathered in the hallway or somewhere. What efforts were made to try and break through that door? You say it was locked. What efforts were the officers making?" The awful answer: "None at that time."
May 27th 2022
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Twitter avatar for @ByMikeBakerMike Baker @ByMikeBaker
I have spent the past few days researching the training of Uvalde officers, including the tactics they were expected to use to halt school shooters.
The documents are jarring. Here’s a thread of our findings so far.
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May 28th 2022
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/politics/uvalde-donald-trump-nra-convention/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/uvalde-police-chief-delayed-officer-response-shooting-join-city-counse-rcna30910
https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/live-texas-dps-sharing-update-on-uvalde-school-shooting-investigation/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/us/politics/nra-convention-guns.html
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/27/us/texas-school-shooting
Twitter avatar for @ByMikeBakerMike Baker @ByMikeBaker
Student calls to 911:
12:03—whispered she's in room 112
12:10—said multiple dead
12:13—called again
12:16—says 8-9 students alive
12:19—student calls from room 111
12:21—3 shots heard on call
12:36—another call
12:43—asks for police
12:47—asks for police
Students in the room with the gunman called 911 many times.Students who were in the classroom with the gunman called 911 several times, including a lengthy call during which some shooting and other sounds of the attack could be heard, according to Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.nytimes.com
May 27th 2022
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Twitter avatar for @CBSDFWCBS DFW @CBSDFW
Officials say several law enforcement entities from across the state have been called in by Uvalde police to not only assist in supplementing their police force, but to also provide extra protection to officers and the mayor following heavy criticism and threats. #Uvalde
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-friday/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-police-school-chief/

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/05/26/new-poll-shows-huge-support-for-gun-restrictions-00035349

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-school-student-survival/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/231224/teachers-prioritize-gun-control-prevent-shootings.aspx

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/survey-finds-wide-opposition-among-parents-to-arming-teachers/2018/07/16/03674e34-8927-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html

https://csunshinetoday.csun.edu/media-releases/survey-finds-that-teachers-do-not-want-guns-in-the-classroom/

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-school-shooting-nra-convention-212dfd1b57474f1ab208d4a72521a010

https://www.umsl.edu/ccj/research/fact-sheet-10---arming-teachers.pdf
Twitter avatar for @BruceKBBruce Bonner 🇺🇦 @BruceKB
Guns are the things most likely to kill young people in America
economist.com/graphic-detail…
from @TheEconomist People don’t kill people, failure to pass reasonable gun control legislati

@phranny said
@shavixmir you are correct.
May 27, 2022
Heather Cox Richardson
The timeline for the Uvalde massacre is becoming clearer.
After shooting his grandmother in the face and taking her truck, the gunman got to Robb Elementary School at 11:28 Tuesday morning and started firing into the school windows. A police officer responded to a call about the shooter but drove by him, inst ...[text shortened]... tail…
from @TheEconomist People don’t kill people, failure to pass reasonable gun control legislati

@Wajoma
How about the part where it is really terrible to have schools turn into armed camps. I guess therefore every 5 year old should have a Glock and every shopper should be going to the store armed with an AR15, you want a haircut, put your AR15 down at the door but in close reach.
Don't you see how paranoid that whole concept is?
First off, the more people who have guns the more people get shot by ACCIDENT but none of that matters to the likes of you.
In other words, permanently live in fear. What a GREAT way for a civilization to live.
I don't suppose you noticed ALL the school shooters were under 21 because they were freeking HIGH SCHOOL students or dropouts themselves.
So OF COURSE in Texas and the rest of the NRA ruled states they would NEVER consider even the step of raising the age to buy to 21 when most if not all of them would be out of the rage stage and starting to grow up but that reaches deaf ears to the Abbots of the world.
Like Shav said, US is a banana republic with 400 million guns. Great way to live.

Why is it REAL countries around the world like Scotland, Australia, UK and the like had shooters but when they either banned assault weapons or raising the age to buy has stopped school shooting completely but that kind of thinking would never occur to assswipes like Abbot would it?

@sonhouse said
@Wajoma
How about the part where it is really terrible to have schools turn into armed camps. I guess therefore every 5 year old should have a Glock and every shopper should be going to the store armed with an AR15, you want a haircut, put your AR15 down at the door but in close reach.
Don't you see how paranoid that whole concept is?
First off, the more people who have guns the more people get shot by ACCIDENT but none of that matters to the likes of you.

@Wajoma
What the FUK does the outside temp have to do with children being able to buy guns at 18? You went through that stage I assume and if you think back on those years you can't say you wanted to kill?
Oh yeah, I forgot, Abbot says we have to have better mental health, yep, THAT will stop all those under 21 school shooters won't it.

@wajoma said
You're all so shrill, reeeee, reeeee. The point is not that every teacher is armed, it's that they might be armed.

The left wing shooter at Buffalo admitted to selecting a target based on the unlikely-hood anyone could defend themselves. If everyone were armed it would not have happened, if people there at location or nearby might be armed has the same effect. So this th ...[text shortened]... hild,..you're embarrassing yourself with the shrieking, you're not beto o'rourke undercover are you?

@athousandyoung said
I want to see what happens when some teacher accidentally shoots one of his own students

@phranny said
@shavixmir you are correct.
May 27, 2022
Heather Cox Richardson
The timeline for the Uvalde massacre is becoming clearer.
After shooting his grandmother in the face and taking her truck, the gunman got to Robb Elementary School at 11:28 Tuesday morning and started firing into the school windows. A police officer responded to a call about the shooter but drove by him, inst ...[text shortened]... tail…
from @TheEconomist People don’t kill people, failure to pass reasonable gun control legislati

@no1marauder said
"Left wing shooter"? He was a White supremacist who posted on 4Chan. He also knew that the supermarket he choose for the shooting had an armed security guard, which blows your little theory out of the water. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/us/payton-gendron-buffalo-shooting-suspect-what-we-know/index.html