@kellyjay saidThere is a plethora of liberal posters. You post that criminals should be kept off the streets,,,,,in other words, when jailed/sentenced to incarceration, that they be kept there. That newly instituted process of handling criminals was invented, and being run by, liberals. Were conservatives in charge, we would not be that nice. Libs and more caring and nice than we are!!
With good cause, move the frigging prison system out into the Aleutian Islands
in Alaska, put them in tents in the middle of Arizona, don't let them on the streets
as repeat frigging offenders.
@zahlanzi saidI've never been in prison, so I don't know how much rehabilitation goes on there, or how effective it is. However, I have three family members who know the US prison system from the inside (two of them leave every night when their shifts are done; the other was released); I'll ask them.
no, it's the basis of a free society. You commit a crime, we lock you up because you are a menace to society, when release it is considered the debt is paid. The point is rehabilitation, not life imprisonment for every fukin crime.
You merciful christians only want prison as retribution and punishment. Not forgiveness and rehabilitation.
As for forgiveness, that is not the business of either the prison system or the society which runs a prison system. A prisoner may pay his debt to society in prison, but he has not thereby paid his debt to the victim. In this respect, KJ is right: society cannot forgive, only the victims can.
@zahlanzi saidThis poster is an example of what I just posted.
no, it's the basis of a free society. You commit a crime, we lock you up because you are a menace to society, when release it is considered the debt is paid. The point is rehabilitation, not life imprisonment for every fukin crime.
You merciful christians only want prison as retribution and punishment. Not forgiveness and rehabilitation.
@no1marauder saidLooking at crime from the prison-end of it is like looking at health from the coroner's dissecting table.
It's funny that other countries have both A) Much lower incarnation rates; AND B) Much lower rates of violent crime.
Maybe the lock em up strategy that was adopted for decades should be recognized as the failure it was.
@mghrn55 saidWhat is wrong with America? I'll tell ya:
So ........ that is actually a decent start.
And I will ask the same question I asked in other threads.
What is wrong with America ???
There is a Statue of Liberty on one shore, which was a great start, but the corresponding Statue of Responsibility was never erected.
@moonbus saidI remember flying out to Adak, the wings on our plane were practically flapping, I asked if that was normal and was told if they didn’t they would break off. I can’t imagine fighting there, I could have been killed a couple of times just roaming around the island. A dangerous place no doubt about it.
Those waters are known as The Cradle of Storms. I had an uncle who was a WWII fighter pilot stationed in the Aleutians; he flew missions against the Japanese. He said the USAF lost more pilots in that campaign to bad weather than to Japanese gun fire.
@kellyjay saidYes, wing flap is essential, up to a point ...
I remember flying out to Adak, the wings on our plane were practically flapping, I asked if that was normal and was told if they didn’t they would break off. I can’t imagine fighting there, I could have been killed a couple of times just roaming around the island. A dangerous place no doubt about it.
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@kellyjay saidAs an ex-B-52 crewman, I can verify that the wing flapping thing is an absolute necessity.
I remember flying out to Adak, the wings on our plane were practically flapping, I asked if that was normal and was told if they didn’t they would break off. I can’t imagine fighting there, I could have been killed a couple of times just roaming around the island. A dangerous place no doubt about it.
The end of the Buff wings droop while on the ground, and at take-off the wingtips raise 17 feet as pressure builds under them.
On low level bomb runs at 400 feet AGL, summer thermals would cause the aircraft to shake violently, but the wings always held together.
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@jj-adams saidNot to be a pedant, but what enables planes to fly is not pressure under the wings, but less pressure above the wings. It's called Bernoulli's Principle. The shape of the airfoil produces less pressure above the wing and the plane rises.
As an ex-B-52 crewman, I can verify that the wing flapping thing is an absolute necessity.
The end of the Buff wings droop while on the ground, and at take-off the wingtips raise 17 feet as pressure builds under them.
On low level bomb runs at 400 feet AGL, summer thermals would cause the aircraft to shake violently, but the wings always held together.
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@AverageJoe1
WRONG...The current Federal Prison System
was re-designed by The Reagan Administration.
That's when they imposed, 'mandatory minimums,'
and one of the reasons that The Good' 'ol USA currently has more prisoners than the next two countries combined. 'The Mandatory Minimum sentencing took authority from local judges and imposed MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES
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@suzianne saidNot to be an even greater pedant (who, me!?), but that's merely the high school explanation. In reality it's a lot more complicated than that, and we still don't understand the entire process. Mainly because, well, fluid dynamics is one of the hardest parts of physics currently unsolved. The maths is brain-breakingly difficult. Solve Navier-Stokes, and you'll win not only a million dollars (literally, it's one of the Millennium Prizes), but also Andrew Wiles-level fame.
Not to be a pedant, but what enables planes to fly is not pressure under the wings, but less pressure above the wings. It's called Bernoulli's Principle. The shape of the airfoil produces less pressure above the wing and the plane rises.
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@capacrapa said...using guns.
Exactly 💯.
The USA has the highest incarceration rate because...They commit a lot of crimes!
Seriously, that entire country is insane.
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@mghrn55 saidPartly, but not entirely. The majority of policing elsewhere is also focused on after the crime happens. After all, when policing happens when there isn't a crime, we call it a police state.
Or maybe because the vast majority of American policing is focused on after the crime happens.
Any attempt to try to solve the problem before the crime occurs is usually labelled as socialism.
The real difference is that the USA judicial system is aimed at kicking the convict (not necessarily criminal, its false conviction rates are also appalling among Western countries, though to be fair not nearly as bad as, say, Russia, China or Turkey) as hard as possible, not just while he's serving his sentence, but also (or maybe even especially) after he's served it. In civilised countries, the main aim of punishment is rehabilitation, not keeping the criminal so desperate that he has no resource but to remain a criminal.
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@kellyjay saidAnd that's exactly why the USA system of "lock 'em up, parasitise them while in prison, kick 'em out and then kick 'em in the nuts, and don't, whatever you do, ever let them have any hope of a real life again" is such inhuman madness.
If locking someone up caused rehabilitation, I'd agree with you