@Sleepyguy saidBy now you've been shown enough to know your assertion in the last paragraph isn't true as far as immigrants here illegally.
Common sense dictates that we don't trust what leftists say.
Is it true that federal Medicaid dollars and ACA subsidies are not supposed to go to illegals? Yes!
But:
Do Democrats want to fund healthcare for illegals? Yes they do, they all raised their hands.
Do Democrat run states currently fund healthcare for illegals? Yes they do.
https://www.newswee ...[text shortened]... ng eligibility for illegal aliens and other aliens that are here on a temporary basis? YES THEY ARE.
And States that provide health care benefits to undocumented immigrants don't get reimbursed for it so your "money is fungible" statement is besides the point.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidAnd he said the laws governing where people reside or pathetic. Would I lie? Look three clicks up..
Oh, so all this health care comes off the free tree?
International law 😂
He wants enter international law, with a pinch of natural rights thrown in, to govern everything. I guess this is what they all defined as GLOBAL order, a phrase which you will start seeing a lot of. Can’t you just picture marauder… Carrying a sign on the street ‘we want GLOBAL order”? of course you can.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhere's the support for the specific claim Trump, Johnson and all you right wingers are making i.e. that the shutdown is because Democrats want to provide health care benefits to "illegal aliens"?
, Democratic proposals for healthcare often focus on expanding coverage, reducing costs, and increasing accessibility. This includes policies like expanding Medicaid, lowering the Medicare eligibility age, and sometimes even pushing for a single-payer system. The goal is typically to make healthcare more affordable and accessible to everyone.
I pulled this off of ChatGPT. Is she just as wrong as rain?
And you think that WE are a problem!!!!!
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@sonhouse saidThe other day I missed the part about the military having to continue to serve without pay.
And OF COURSE it is 100% democrats fault. All Dems had to do was agree to screw 10 million people out of ACA. DAMN DEMS.
Why can't Dems just stand aside while we rewrite history?
Meanwhile ALL military, go back to work, but nobody gets a paycheck.
Trump already said it was all a ploy so he can REALLY screw us over by firing even MORE government posts.
How disrespectful! How stupid is this would-be king?
And then there's Russell Vought, who is on-record saying he wants federal employees to suffer.
Who is sicker? Russell Vought or Stephen Miller? I think that competition might still be undecided.
So nice to have a so-called government that is willing to use all of us as human shields and hostages for their proud-minded political games.
Trump thinks he's the Bull in a China shop, but it's the USA he's destroying.
Psycho POTUS, qu'est-ce que c'est?
And it's not just Trump -- it's every single cabinet member or other high-profile appointee who agreed to serve in his administration and who is loyal to Trump and not our nation nor the rule of law.
We're not the only ones thinking these things -- in that I think there is hope.
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I have a bad feeling that Showman Trump won't settle for a quiet retirement in an assisted-care home for the mentally infirm or even to get shot dead in public by a single sniper, but is hoping to go out in a splashier way for the grand finale.
Let's try to disappoint him, if we can.
@no1marauder saidWhy don’t you tell us what the shut down is about then?
Where's the support for the specific claim Trump, Johnson and all you right wingers are making i.e. that the shutdown is because Democrats want to provide health care benefits to "illegal aliens"?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThe Democrats are trying to use leverage to extend the 2021 ACA Premium increase and roll back the cuts in health care spending the Republicans voted for earlier this year to very partially fund their gigantic tax cut.
Why don’t you tell us what the shut down is about then?
Is that so hard to grasp?
@no1marauder saidTo the Trumpublicans, if their Orange Savior didn't say it, it's fake news.
The Democrats are trying to use leverage to extend the 2021 ACA Premium increase and roll back the cuts in health care spending the Republicans voted for earlier this year to very partially fund their gigantic tax cut.
Is that so hard to grasp?
@AverageJoe1 saidStop with the idiot analogies.
Well, you mentioned above about providing people medical aid who need it. So if there are two people in a line, one legally in the line and one not, and you only have medical aid enough for one of them, we would naturally give it to the person who is legally in the line. A lot of the posts of you guys ignore those distinctions when you write your posts, which leave your ...[text shortened]... mean when I say you never close your posts, you say something that is not complete.
Bad Karma.
@AverageJoe1 saidI think reimbursing the American people for increased health insurance costs is far more important than paying for the self-service tax cut for the rich.
Of course. It is a budget Bill. The Democrats have jumped into the fray and caused major upheaval by mentioning healthcare in involving people from other countries you are not legally in this country. I don’t know how I could make it simpler.
It is a budget bill
Healthcare for most Americans vs. tax cut for the rich.
Well, we know where most people, except those duped by their own government, fall on this.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThis is how Republican propaganda starts, with an idiot assumption.
So you think selling children is acceptable?
@Arkturos saidBut if Trump goes, Vance is POTUS and Miller and Vought will become even more powerful politically and they want to get rid of almost all government agencies, they are traitors of the highest order, they want to kill our democracy and put in a dictator and that would be Vance if Trump is gone.
I have a bad feeling that Showman Trump won't settle for a quiet retirement in an assisted-care home for the mentally infirm or even to get shot dead in public by a single sniper, but is hoping to go out in a splashier way for the grand finale.
Let's try to disappoint him, if we can.
Our only hope would be if politics shifted that much MAYBE, just MAYBE congress will grow some balls and stop this push to authoritarian government.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSo you would rather poor folks just die off so we don't have to take care of them.
Oh, so all this health care comes off the free tree?
International law 😂
@no1marauder saidUsing lies and fear is how they keep half of America on their side.
A problem with "debating" right wingers is that no matter how many times they are shown something their propaganda machine told them isn't so, they still insist on believing the lie.
That nothing in the Democratic proposals at issue now would expand health care to undocumented immigrants is a truth these gullible fools choose to ignore.
How about if we take the money he's spending on his ballroom and instead spend it on secondary education? Or school lunch programs?