@AverageJoe1 saidI'm telling you what the present law is not whether I approve of it.
For the record, everyone, marauder here is saying that illegals, which, of course would include their families in this country, who have children are not entitled to get certain healthcare. So those children will die. So ask Marauder, , don’t ask me, if he is OK with children dying. Y’all are such a mess.
This very question was asked by Shav, who is not even a US resid ...[text shortened]... e… are you increasing or decreasing the chances of children dying?
Marauder will now answer Shav.
I see you are desperate to change the subject, but you should first admit that Trump and Johnson lied when they said the shutdown was caused because Democrats demand that "illegals" be added to the Federal health programs.
@AverageJoe1 saidI won't waste time with such BS, I never said someone who owned a business should have to give away anything.
it appears you want to socialize our government. Can you tell us that you do not want socialization, to make the posts more on a level playing field?
Like, if we were talking about the donut shop and I was saying that guy needs to sell donuts and make money, you might say no, the guy needs to give donuts away. Maybe a silly analogy, but you need to tell people what you r ...[text shortened]... ent conversation.
Take this very post. You will not answer properly, you will be disingenuous.
I will say that capitalism breeds dependence since the great majority are forced to work for someone else. A socialist libertarian system like say Bakunin envisioned would be one where there would be a voluntary system of collectives with all the members sharing in the decision making and profits (the opposite of your claims about socialism making people "dependent"😉.
@no1marauder said“The Working Families Tax Cut Act, signed into law by President Trump, contains the most important America First healthcare reforms ever enacted. The policies represent a comprehensive effort to address waste, fraud, and abuse to strengthen the healthcare system for the most vulnerable Americans, ensuring that taxpayer dollars are focused on American citizens and do not subsidize healthcare for illegal immigrants.
I'm telling you what the present law is not whether I approve of it.
I see you are desperate to change the subject, but you should first admit that Trump and Johnson lied when they said the shutdown was caused because Democrats demand that "illegals" be added to the Federal health programs.
Democrats are demanding these reforms be repealed as a condition of keeping the government open for four weeks. This would result in the federal government spending nearly $200 billion on healthcare for illegal immigrants and non-citizens over the next decade—nearly enough to fund the entire Children’s Health Insurance Program over the same period—all while repealing reforms that strengthen care for the most vulnerable Americans.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/10/01/white-house-democrats-demanding-200-billion-for-illegal-aliens-over-a-decade-to-reopen-government/
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThat is TOTAL BULLLCRAP. Repubs have for YEARS tried to kill ACA and now are forcing it down our throats and local hospitals are already closing so tell me how THAT is a good thing.
“The Working Families Tax Cut Act, signed into law by President Trump, contains the most important America First healthcare reforms ever enacted. The policies represent a comprehensive effort to address waste, fraud, and abuse to strengthen the healthcare system for the most vulnerable Americans, ensuring that taxpayer dollars are focused on American citizens and do n ...[text shortened]... 1/white-house-democrats-demanding-200-billion-for-illegal-aliens-over-a-decade-to-reopen-government/
Millions losing medical insurance and all you can to is RE PUKE the bile the Trump farts out daily, we are stopping those dastardly illegals.
Funny how you COULD take a task force, go over every client of the insurance and see exactly how many 'illegals' are getting medical aid.
https://www.cpr.org/2025/10/02/undocumented-immigrants-health-care-explained/
But OF COURSE you HATE hearing the Truth. ONLY listening to what Trump, Vance, Miller pump out with their verbal diarrhea and they are all three chomping at the bit to get Project 2025 totally running, totally fking the entire US and by extension, the entire planet.
@no1marauder saidResponse to your first paragraph. My sawmill analogy is about someone having earned money , and I suggested that he might just give it away. You and all of your socialist friends have actually said that owners of companies should share their profits. Now, which way are you gonna have it???
I won't waste time with such BS, I never said someone who owned a business should have to give away anything.
I will say that capitalism breeds dependence since the great majority are forced to work for someone else. A socialist libertarian system like say Bakunin envisioned would be one where there would be a voluntary system of collectives with all the members sharin ...[text shortened]... decision making and profits (the opposite of your claims about socialism making people "dependent"😉.
This is what I meant by trick question. Go ahead and admit the sawmill owner should not share one dollar of his profits. If you say that, it will diffuse everything you have said defending and promoting socialism, which we all know you are in favor of…,you have actually studied it for God sakes.
Capitalism does not breed dependency because the worker is not forced as you say to work. It is about free enterprise, liberty, and freedom.
And for the record everyone, not that you don’t know this, a group of people in this country can all come together and create this concept of ‘collectivism’ as touted here by Marauder. And, at the end of the day, agree to split the profits, or or, or, elect to do something else with it. Like, if one person works harder than the other, maybe they will decide to give him more money. Why is this concept so difficult, Marauder?? What else could you possibly be suggesting? This country already allows for collectivism. But I have this feeling you want the government to tell them what to do? Brrrrrrrr
@sonhouse saidBut are any illegals getting healthcare while our street people can’t breathe with lung disease? Sonhouse, the illegal invading aliens are using our emergency rooms for their daily primary care visits. Look it up.
That is TOTAL BULLLCRAP. Repubs have for YEARS tried to kill ACA and now are forcing it down our throats and local hospitals are already closing so tell me how THAT is a good thing.
Millions losing medical insurance and all you can to is RE PUKE the bile the Trump farts out daily, we are stopping those dastardly illegals.
Funny how you COULD take a task force, go over ev ...[text shortened]... o get Project 2025 totally running, totally fking the entire US and by extension, the entire planet.
They threw my granny out yesterday, told her to get on out of the way, they are busy…. With illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Have you ever looked up that phrase? Can you tell us what it means without looking it up?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidHave these libs ever realized that the affordable care act did not make things more affordable? They have lies forced down their throats!!!!!!! Yeah, that’s it.
“The Working Families Tax Cut Act, signed into law by President Trump, contains the most important America First healthcare reforms ever enacted. The policies represent a comprehensive effort to address waste, fraud, and abuse to strengthen the healthcare system for the most vulnerable Americans, ensuring that taxpayer dollars are focused on American citizens and do n ...[text shortened]... 1/white-house-democrats-demanding-200-billion-for-illegal-aliens-over-a-decade-to-reopen-government/
@Mott-The-Hoople saidHow exactly? Bet the White House and Breitbart don't tell you that.
“The Working Families Tax Cut Act, signed into law by President Trump, contains the most important America First healthcare reforms ever enacted. The policies represent a comprehensive effort to address waste, fraud, and abuse to strengthen the healthcare system for the most vulnerable Americans, ensuring that taxpayer dollars are focused on American citizens and do n ...[text shortened]... 1/white-house-democrats-demanding-200-billion-for-illegal-aliens-over-a-decade-to-reopen-government/
@AverageJoe1 saidShare the profits with the people who actually did the work to earn it isn't "giving it away".
Response to your first paragraph. My sawmill analogy is about someone having earned money , and I suggested that he might just give it away. You and all of your socialist friends have actually said that owners of companies should share their profits. Now, which way are you gonna have it???
This is what I meant by trick question. Go ahead and admit the sawmill owner sho ...[text shortened]... r collectivism. But I have this feeling you want the government to tell them what to do? Brrrrrrrr
The worker either works for somebody or he and his family starve. That makes him dependent on those who own the means of production.
@AverageJoe1 saidSo lets suppose 10% are illegals getting meds. Which means NINETY PERCENT are regular citizens who have 100% RIGHT to get medical help but Trump is just using that as an excuse to KILL ACA, Trump could care less about illegals getting meds, it is just a means to an end for Trump, KILLING ACA.
But are any illegals getting healthcare while our street people can’t breathe with lung disease? Sonhouse, the illegal invading aliens are using our emergency rooms for their daily primary care visits. Look it up.
They threw my granny out yesterday, told her to get on out of the way, they are busy…. With illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Have you ever looked up that phrase? Can you tell us what it means without looking it up?
MILLIONS of ordinary AMERICANS are the ones paying the price of losing their insurance.
Exactly how is someone supposed to go to a job daily and then finds out he has a big medical problem but now has been kicked off insurance rolls so bottom line is MANY people will DIE, AMERICANS, NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS.
That is just a dodge, a PLOY to do their REAL dirty work, KILLING ACA.
That has been the goal since it was enacted.
Repubs HATE helping ANYONE, you have cancer and have been canceled? OH SO SORRY, we will PRAY for you.
Just like republican reply after mass shootings, 3 children dead from a kid coming in with an AK47. OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS are with those poor folks.
NOTHING ELSE, but BY god they will PRAY.
YEP, a PROVEN remedy for children killing children.
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@sonhouse saidSonhouse, I am trying my best to break through to you. You write all this stuff as if it is an acceptable given that we have these illegal aliens amongst us. If you take them out of the equation, we are all just fine. They are usurping our meds, healthcare etal. Y’all never mention Biden, who himself is an alien to me. At least Trump is upfront about everything, quite transparent. We knew nothing about Biden, starting with who is running this country….. whoever was, opened the borders, so there you have it.
So lets suppose 10% are illegals getting meds. Which means NINETY PERCENT are regular citizens who have 100% RIGHT to get medical help but Trump is just using that as an excuse to KILL ACA, Trump could care less about illegals getting meds, it is just a means to an end for Trump, KILLING ACA.
MILLIONS of ordinary AMERICANS are the ones paying the price of losing their insu ...[text shortened]... olks.
NOTHING ELSE, but BY god they will PRAY.
YEP, a PROVEN remedy for children killing children.
Tell me, why, with all of the poor people we have in this country and people living on the street, would the United States of America, invite other poor people to come into the country.? We could not afford the ones we have, and now you, Sonhouse, yourself, want to somehow find money to pay for the poor people from other countries. You are bitching at us, when you and Biden need to be the one to decide who is going to provide the extra money that we need to pay for the extra poor people, which you have brought into the country. Are you thinking to get the money from me and from Jeff Bezos? Are you a disciple of Bernie Sanders? Would you please admit that,? Do you want to get other people’s money? Please confer with Marauder and come up with an answer. Thank you. Before you answer, remember, Susie thinks that everyone is brothers, and marauder thinks that we are all one big happy family to share everything equally.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou are so damn sexy when you panic like that over the dumbest talking point in the gop arsenal.
But are any illegals getting healthcare while our street people can’t breathe with lung disease? Sonhouse, the illegal invading aliens are using our emergency rooms for their daily primary care visits. Look it up.
They threw my granny out yesterday, told her to get on out of the way, they are busy…. With illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Illegal aliens. Have you ever looked up that phrase? Can you tell us what it means without looking it up?
@AverageJoe1 saidIt DID mean that more people were able to afford healthcare, but of couse you couldn't be arsed to give a damn about that.
Have these libs ever realized that the affordable care act did not make things more affordable? They have lies forced down their throats!!!!!!! Yeah, that’s it.