Originally posted by yo its meObviously a lot of honour killings occur throughout the world. Read the articles I posted! It's tragic. How anyone could kill their own child is beyond me. Etc. Does your question have a point?
So Bosse de Nage do you think it really is one a month? Could all those that were presumed to be suside actually honour killings?
And of these other murders could a lot of them be classed under the same title?
What do you think?
Originally posted by yo its meYou're starting to sound funny now. You stated earlier that the text of the Koran compells people to commit honour killings and now state that you don't actually know this but are happy to believe it anyway.
You have messed things up.
Mohammad thought he was the massiha and took the old testiment adding his own bits and called it the Koran.
I never said I know nothing of it. I haven't read the words in the verses. I can not pin point their location.
I have heard testomony of converters.
No evidence! You presume that reporters in the muslim world have the freedom to print facts, sadly you are mistaken.
Mohammed certainly did NOT think he was the messiah, Islam is extremely clear on this point, he was an ordinary man who received the word of god. The old testament has nothing to do with the Koran which was written by some bloke that Mohammed dictated too (which is one of the main reasons Salman Rushdie got into so much deep water with his rather amusing interpretation).
You talk of facts and yet are not interested in any yourself. You listen to hearsay rather than find actual facts which are very easy to find if you put the energy you use to condemn into reading.
Your last sentence makes no sense and isn't really relevant. No mention of honour killings in Indonesia means you can't presume there are, regardless of the truth of it or not.
Originally posted by WheelyOkay "Gods Profit" He thought he was greater then the massiah, that he was to put righ what Jesus got wrong.
You're starting to sound funny now. You stated earlier that the text of the Koran compells people to commit honour killings and now state that you don't actually know this but are happy to believe it anyway.
Mohammed certainly did NOT think he was the messiah, Islam is extremely clear on this point, he was an ordinary man who received the word of god. The ...[text shortened]... llings in Indonesia means you can't presume there are, regardless of the truth of it or not.
My mistake.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1512394,00.html
Obviously a lot of honour killings occur throughout the world. Read the articles I posted! It's tragic. How anyone could kill their own child is beyond me. Etc. Does your question have a point?
Did you read it ?I don't see in it that the girl was christian, do you?
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Honor Killing comes from tradition when one relied much more heavilly on the family to stay alive, pre mohammad.
As far as I know it is in the Koran I can not prove it I have not read it because I can not read Aribic. Most Muslims have not read it.
It dosen't say for example that a woman must wear a hijab or being inpurdah that is in the hadeith -book of tradition
Originally posted by yo its meYou are really getting confused now. It is a "pre mohammed" tradition is it now? If so, how is it an Islamic thing?
Honor Killing comes from tradition when one relied much more heavilly on the family to stay alive, pre mohammad.
As far as I know it is in the Koran I can not prove it I have not read it because I can not read Aribic. Most Muslims have not read it.
It dosen't say for example that a woman must wear a hijab or being inpurdah that is in the hadeith -book of tradition
I have read at least bits of Islamic texts and studied more of the religion. I can tell you there is no statement suggesting you should kill your daughter. There! is that enough evidence for you or do you prefer to believe the things that mean you can get all indignant, feel part of a superior club and make youself feel like somebody.
Originally posted by yo its meIt would be nice if you could read:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1512394,00.html
Did you read it ?I don't see in it that the girl was christian, do you?
"Faten Habash's murder was unusual because she came from the Christian minority in the Palestinian territories. Her desire to marry a young Muslim, Samer Hamis, so infuriated her family that the couple decided to elope to Jordan."
(The first paragraph already makes it clear).
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Originally posted by yo its meI am sorry to say that this sort of barbaric behaviour is common to the deluded followers of many religions ( Hindus, Sikhs, and the Mormons of former days, as well as those of the 7th century Arab}. Also to many primitive tribes all over the world.
Honor Killing comes from tradition when one relied much more heavilly on the family to stay alive, pre mohammad.
As far as I know it is in the Koran I can not prove it I have not read it because I can not read Aribic. Most Muslims have not read it.
It dosen't say for example that a woman must wear a hijab or being inpurdah that is in the hadeith -book of tradition
Originally posted by chienlungI would bet, though have no evidence, that it occurred quietly in the genteel households of the aristocracy across Europe too.
I am sorry to say that this sort of barbaric behaviour is common to the deluded followers of many religions ( Hindus, Sikhs, and the Mormons of former days, as well as those of the 7th century Arab}. Also to many primitive tribes all over the world.
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The bottom line here is it really is not due to any religion even though many people try to attribute it to a certain type and many use thier religion as a scape goat, otherwise thier would not be women getting killed for what they wear.
Lets face it, if you would kill your own flesh and blood for what she is wearing or who she dates you are going just one place if you have any kind of religion at all. What people need to start looking at is what areas is it most prevalent in, Albania, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, India, Jordan,and Pakastan with lesser amounts in Sweden, Denmark, United Staes Germany, and the UK.
Now the question we need to be asking is what type of people are killing their own daughters and sons, are mostly middle-eastern men?