You are not looking at the root cause; you are looking at the outcome of a lawless government that is only interested in a narrative against those who want the rule of law applied! Border control is ICE’s job; those entering the country illegally are to be removed by law It is ugly, not because of ICE, but because those who want this refuse to hold anyone accountable for breaking those LAWS ON THE BOOKS that prohibit illegal entry. You are siding with anarchy, and when no one is held accountable, no one is safe.
Look at countries where the rule of law has been replaced by might makes right, with gangs or cartels running things No one is safe, justice is nothing more than staying alive than doing what is right, and that is what you are pushing for, that is what those you are cheering on desire, get power, no one is held accounable they can do what they want with everything in their control, all your money and stuff will be state-owned or controled by those pulling the strings of government.
This is why fraud is not a big deal on the left, from taking money earmarked for others to protecting voter integrity.
@KellyJay saidWhy do we have border patrol if border patrol is ICE's job?
You are not looking at the root cause; you are looking at the outcome of a lawless government that is only interested in a narrative against those who want the rule of law applied! Border control is ICE’s job; those entering the country illegally are to be removed by law It is ugly, not because of ICE, but because those who want this refuse to hold anyone accountable for ...[text shortened]... is not a big deal on the left, from taking money earmarked for others to protecting voter integrity.
I think the problem is that ICE is flush with cash from a government that only cares about appearance but they don't know what to do, have no leadership or consistent direction, have limited training, so they are stuck bullying people and pretending to act tough.
A complete waste of government resources at minimum. At maximum, a modem day gestapo asking citizens to show their papers and then arresting them for nothing and locking them up indefinitely.
@KellyJay saidThe reason we were getting overwhelmed with illegal immigrants was lack of judges to legally prosecute them not a lack of government men with guns to capture them and Trump keeps firing the judges.
You are not looking at the root cause; you are looking at the outcome of a lawless government that is only interested in a narrative against those who want the rule of law applied! Border control is ICE’s job; those entering the country illegally are to be removed by law It is ugly, not because of ICE, but because those who want this refuse to hold anyone accountable for ...[text shortened]... is not a big deal on the left, from taking money earmarked for others to protecting voter integrity.
@wildgrass saidBy definition, Border Patrol guards the border. Once past them, it’s a different ball game.
Why do we have border patrol if border patrol is ICE's job?
I think the problem is that ICE is flush with cash from a government that only cares about appearance but they don't know what to do, have no leadership or consistent direction, have limited training, so they are stuck bullying people and pretending to act tough.
A complete waste of government resources at mi ...[text shortened]... citizens to show their papers and then arresting them for nothing and locking them up indefinitely.
The waste of time is due to the refusal of mostly local Democratic leadership to allow local police to work with ICE to get the worst of the worst out of the country. If local police were allowed and not prohibited from working with ICE, then all of the complaints about harming the community would be greatly reduced. They would work together to get the worst of the worst out, reducing areas of conflict within the communities, and if they are in jail, hand them over.
If the local police were embedded with ICE operations, the possibility of innocents getting swept up in the mayhem would be greatly reduced for both citizens and the non-threatening illegal aliens. Instead, they protect rapest, murderers, human traffickers, while even in custody they shield them, and let them back onto the streets.
I don’t think the progressive leadership wants this because if local police helped tap down the bad things they are complaining about, they lose their narrative, and right now, that is about all they have to keep their base energized.
@AThousandYoung saidIf they had not held the door open for them and flown them past the border, that would have reduced the need for judges; they only came into the picture once they got into the country.
The reason we were getting overwhelmed with illegal immigrants was lack of judges to legally prosecute them not a lack of government men with guns to capture them and Trump keeps firing the judges.
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@KellyJay said
By definition, Border Patrol guards the border. Once past them, it’s a different ball game.
The waste of time is due to the refusal of mostly local Democratic leadership to allow local police to work with ICE to get the worst of the worst out of the country. If local police were allowed and not prohibited from working with ICE, then all of the complaints about harming t ...[text shortened]... they lose their narrative, and right now, that is about all they have to keep their base energized.
...If local police were allowed and not prohibited from working with ICE
There's so much wrong in this post, but just addressing this comment: LOCAL POLICE HAVE THEIR OWN JOB TO DO. YOU WANT THEM TO ALSO DO A DIFFERENT JOB, TO WORK WITH A BUNCH OF KEYSTONE COPS WITH TWO WEEKS TRAINING PARADING AROUND AND ARRESTING PEOPLE IN GIRAFFE COSTUMES?
Sorry for all caps, but wow. Maybe we get the local life guards to assist as well? Call up the folks running the checkout aisle at the supermarket to "work with ICE"?
ICE doesn't need more help. They just absorbed $140 billion and they outnumber the local police in Minneapolis right now almost 10 to 1.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
You're not dumb, just the ideas. They're dumb.
@wildgrass saidEnforcing the law and protecting the citizens are part of their job. Working against or refusing to help other law enforcement in counter their job....If local police were allowed and not prohibited from working with ICE
There's so much wrong in this post, but just addressing this comment: LOCAL POLICE HAVE THEIR OWN JOB TO DO. YOU WANT THEM TO ALSO DO A DIFFERENT JOB, TO WORK WITH A BUNCH OF KEYSTONE COPS WITH TWO WEEKS TRAINING PARADING AROUND AND ARRESTING PEOPLE IN GIRAFFE COSTUMES? ARE YOU INSANE? ...[text shortened]... lis right now almost 10 to 1.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
You're not dumb, just the ideas. They're dumb.
Lawlessness is the end result of what is going on now, people’s lives are endanger due to the reckless policies of progressive Authorities! Instead of helping they become a reason for the chaos!
@AThousandYoung saidThe issue is why they are enforcing the law despite the local government’s wishes, not that it is irrelevant. If they have a complaint about how it is being done, then they should get involved and help out instead of demonizing.
Your excuses for why the government is breaking the law with these deportations are irrelevant.
@KellyJay saidFederal agents in combat gear, masks and carrying assault rifles barging into Targets, Home Depots, county fairs, schools, churches, residential neighborhoods etc. is your idea of "protecting" people?
The issue is why they are enforcing the law despite the local government’s wishes, not that it is irrelevant. If they have a complaint about how it is being done, then they should get involved and help out instead of demonizing.
Considering a substantial majority of the people they arrest are presently doing nothing worse than working.and raising families that assertion is nonsensical propaganda.
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@KellyJay saidICE isn't enforcing much, they mostly stand around in Target and Home Depot parking lots harassing people to show their papers. As you keep describing, their jobs are redundant with many other law enforcement organizations. They behave as roving gang-like hordes.
Enforcing the law and protecting the citizens are part of their job. Working against or refusing to help other law enforcement in counter their job.
Lawlessness is the end result of what is going on now, people’s lives are endanger due to the reckless policies of progressive Authorities! Instead of helping they become a reason for the chaos!
I have to imagine that local police have real work to do. Asking them to help punish suburban moms in SUVs and protestors with giraffe costumes seems like a waste of their time, no?
@KellyJay saidICE is breaking the law and what is needed is more judges not civilian helpers.
The issue is why they are enforcing the law despite the local government’s wishes, not that it is irrelevant. If they have a complaint about how it is being done, then they should get involved and help out instead of demonizing.
@AThousandYoung saidEnforcement is not breaking the law. If there are complaints, why aren't the authorities assigning local enforcement to help ensure that doesn’t happen? Repeating a charge does not prove anything.
ICE is breaking the law and what is needed is more judges not civilian helpers.
@wildgrass saidWell, they need support. Instead of crying, they are not doing enough to do the job. Give support so they can do the job without distractions.
ICE isn't enforcing much, they mostly stand around in Target and Home Depot parking lots harassing people to show their papers. As you keep describing, their jobs are redundant with many other law enforcement organizations. They behave as roving gang-like hordes.
I have to imagine that local police have real work to do. Asking them to help punish suburban moms in SUVs and protestors with giraffe costumes seems like a waste of their time, no?
@no1marauder saidWould that gear be necessary if the police were walking side by side, getting the worst of the worst, instead of fearing that they will be run over by a car, shot, or have something thrown at them without local support?
Federal agents in combat gear, masks and carrying assault rifles barging into Targets, Home Depots, county fairs, schools, churches, residential neighborhoods etc. is your idea of "protecting" people?
Considering a substantial majority of the people they arrest are presently doing nothing worse than working.and raising families that assertion is nonsensical propaganda.