@AThousandYoung saidThreatening law enforcement is a lawless act, and if deadly force is used, even the threat of deadly force, it can go south for one doing it rather quickly. Law enforcement among the law-abiding is not a threat.https://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/physical_force.html
Ayn Rand:
Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins. When you declare that men are irrational animals and propose to treat them as such, you define thereby your own character and can no longer claim the sanction of reason—as no advocate of contradictions can claim it. There can be ...[text shortened]... h death if he does not act on his rational judgment; you threaten him with death if he does.
https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-meets-blue-lives-matter
On August 20, 2015, John Derossett engaged in a forty-round gunfight with plainclothes deputies of the Brevard Sheriff’s Office. They were attempting to arrest Derossett’s adult niece for prostitution following an undercover sting operation; Derossett believed them to be intruders trying to kidnap her. One of the deputies was severely injured but survived. The state charged Derossett with first degree felony attempted murder of a law enforcement officer; Derossett responded that Florida’s Stand Your Ground law afforded him immunity from prosecution. In a remarkable opinion issued just last month, the Florida Court of Appeals held that Derossett was entitled to claim immunity under the Stand Your Ground law.
@AThousandYoung saidYes, a good thing! This should be another reason why local law enforcement should help ICE, because even under the best circumstances, mistakes can be made. More eyes on the prize, the better, and when one of those bad guys is already in jail, they should be turned over to ICE so no one has to find them on the streets.https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-meets-blue-lives-matter
On August 20, 2015, John Derossett engaged in a forty-round gunfight with plainclothes deputies of the Brevard Sheriff’s Office. They were attempting to arrest Derossett’s adult niece for prostitution following an undercover sting operation; Derossett believed them to be intr ...[text shortened]... Appeals held that Derossett was entitled to claim immunity under the Stand Your Ground law.
@KellyJay saidMake up your mind. Is violence against police who don't identify themselves a good thing or not? Is it lawless or not?
Yes, a good thing! This should be another reason why local law enforcement should help ICE, because even under the best circumstances, mistakes can be made. More eyes on the prize, the better, and when one of those bad guys is already in jail, they should be turned over to ICE so no one has to find them on the streets.
The above example shows it is sometimes lawful to shoot police if they don't identify themselves.
@KellyJay saidHey Kelly. Step back and see there are illegal lawbreakers here , unknown aliens, for god sake . What if it were Martians? Same thing. Unknowns. They consist of terrorists. Unheard of among our 33oM citizens.
Okay we are done
So we citizens hire lawmen. “Get them out of here, we have our Children!! “
Then your lot comes along and disrupts the process.
Kellyjay? Can you comment like a responsible adult? I assume you side with America, not the invaders.
By the way, see Netflix movie ‘Jay Kelly’
@AThousandYoung saidYes, and to minimize that, every precaution should be taken, including involving local law enforcement in all law enforcement activities to help diminish such mistakes. If law enforment gives you a command, you comply; they have authority by law. If law enforcement is breaking the law, they should be jailed; if convicted, they should pay like everyone else.
Make up your mind. Is violence against police who don't identify themselves a good thing or not? Is it lawless or not?
The above example shows it is sometimes lawful to shoot police if they don't identify themselves.
What should not happen is vigilante justice on the streets, that is, lawlessness, anarchy, and those pushing that are making up law and punishment on the spot, with only their rage justifying the things they do. Mixing those, do you think that will ever end well?
@KellyJay said"If you want to trade in your freedom for more protection, then you deserve neither." This is a ben Franklin line, and it was part of a larger speech on how that road leads to tyranny.
Threatening law enforcement is a lawless act, and if deadly force is used, even the threat of deadly force, it can go south for one doing it rather quickly. Law enforcement among the law-abiding is not a threat.
@wildgrass saidWhat you said has absolutely nothing to do with law and lawlessness, with threatening law enforcement and obeying lawful orders.
"If you want to trade in your freedom for more protection, then you deserve neither." This is a ben Franklin line, and it was part of a larger speech on how that road leads to tyranny.
