@Mott-The-Hoople said
no you dont
https://manage.heckerfink.com/sites/default/files/2025-11/Vasquez%20Perdomo%20v.%20Noem%20Preliminary%20Injunction%2011.13.2025.pdf
The Court has examined all of the new evidence presented by both sides and decides once
again that the federal government is partially blocking access to lawyers. Lawyer visiting hours have
been closed down repeatedly without letting lawyers know—even though this Court ordered that the
government should let the lawyers know. Officers insist on keeping the door open when lawyers are
trying to have private conversations with their clients—even though this means the conversations are
no longer private. Officers sometimes will not let lawyers meet with people who want to work with
lawyers—even though they are not supposed to. Individuals in B-18 do not get the free, confidential
phone calls with their lawyers that even the government says they should have. And sometimes,
individuals are moved from B-18 to another location which does not allow lawyer visits at all.
And, once again, the Court is ordering the federal government to stop
@no1marauder saidThat's a good point. The weapons police are allowed to have are strictly controlled. That's why they usually only have shotguns and pistols. It's for public safety.
Local police have actual crimes to deal with. Even at that, in my town they don't hide their faces, they wear name tags and they don't dress up in combat gear or carry assault rifles.
I agree with those cities and towns who's elected officials have decided not to make their law enforcement agents adjuncts to immigration officers. That's in line with the "anti-commander ...[text shortened]... n by right wing hero Antonin Scalia almost three decades ago.https://www.oyez.org/cases/1996/95-1478
I remember when Obama was going to order PDWs (armor piercing smgs basically, intended as an upgrade to pistols for soldiers in support roles) for government use and the Right FREAKED OUT because they didn't want government agents who are not military having that kind of firepower.
@no1marauder saidYes, they have deaths to deal with and a portion of those ICE is looking for, are doing those crimes. If local police were out there with them many of their tactics would not be nessary. When officials care more about those in the country illegally than the citizens, citizens die needlessly.
Local police have actual crimes to deal with. Even at that, in my town they don't hide their faces, they wear name tags and they don't dress up in combat gear or carry assault rifles.
I agree with those cities and towns who's elected officials have decided not to make their law enforcement agents adjuncts to immigration officers. That's in line with the "anti-commander ...[text shortened]... n by right wing hero Antonin Scalia almost three decades ago.https://www.oyez.org/cases/1996/95-1478
@AThousandYoung saidWhich is why they never should have been allowed in, let alone have the government open the door wide and fly them in in the middle of the night.
You need judges to make it legal. The fifth amendment guarantees all people due process.
@KellyJay saidNo they don't need support..they have billions more in resources than local police..their numbers are vastly in excess. If my local police are needed for immigration enforcement then the feds should be paying local police not a bunch of keystone cops who don't know what a gun safety is for.
Well, they need support. Instead of crying, they are not doing enough to do the job. Give support so they can do the job without distractions.
The local police are busy doing local police work. You're not allowed to use the for your fascism..I would be pissed if they were being used for border patrol. We have two federal agencies who do that.
@KellyJay saidEvery minute a local police officer wastes helping 50 heavily armed ICE agents raid a Target so they can arrest a few janitors or clerks is a minute they could be out doing things that actually protect the public.
Yes, they have deaths to deal with and a portion of those ICE is looking for, are doing those crimes. If local police were out there with them many of their tactics would not be nessary. When officials care more about those in the country illegally than the citizens, citizens die needlessly.
Quite frankly there's better uses of their time than helping to pursue Trump's and Stephen Miller's white supremacist agenda.
@no1marauder saidThey would not have to be heavily armed with back up from local authorities. You are demonizing them due to the position they are forced to deal with.
Every minute a local police officer wastes helping 50 heavily armed ICE agents raid a Target so they can arrest a few janitors or clerks is a minute they could be out doing things that actually protect the public.
Quite frankly there's better uses of their time than helping to pursue Trump's and Stephen Miller's white supremacist agenda.
They are not even allowed in prisons or jails so they must deal with everything thrown at them in hostile streets.
It can get bloody quite needlessly if the local authorities would only help enforce the law, not just the ones they like! So ignoring other laws for any ole reason they come up with is lawless. Feelings over law will not end well when people are angry, your support of all of that makes you part of the problem.
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@KellyJay saidICE is breaking the law in the name of not letting people who break the law go unpunished...yeah ok
They would not have to be heavily armed with back up from local authorities. You are demonizing them due to the position they are forced to deal with.
They are not even allowed in prisons or jails so they must deal with everything thrown at them in hostile streets.
It can get bloody quite needlessly if the local authorities would only help enforce the law, not jus ...[text shortened]... will not end well when people are angry, your support of all of that makes you part of the problem.
@wildgrass saidYou fail to see that if our law enforcement is not based on law but feelings we don’t have law, we have power struggles for power. This is a break down of our system, soon polarity over justice system will end law and order.
No they don't need support..they have billions more in resources than local police..their numbers are vastly in excess. If my local police are needed for immigration enforcement then the feds should be paying local police not a bunch of keystone cops who don't know what a gun safety is for.
The local police are busy doing local police work. You're not allowed to use the ...[text shortened]... would be pissed if they were being used for border patrol. We have two federal agencies who do that.
@AThousandYoung saidEnforcing the law might seem that way to the lawless!
ICE is breaking the law in the name of not letting people who break the law go unpunished...yeah ok
@AThousandYoung said...under the direction of a multiple felon who did not get punished...
ICE is breaking the law in the name of not letting people who break the law go unpunished...yeah ok
@KellyJay saidWhat are you talking about? The local police can do their jobs just fine without ice.
You fail to see that if our law enforcement is not based on law but feelings we don’t have law, we have power struggles for power. This is a break down of our system, soon polarity over justice system will end law and order.
@KellyJay saidSo you are just another Trumpite propagandist. If ICE is after border patrol, why the FK are they in our CITIES? Just a bit different seems to me. If they are supposed to patrol the border then they should be on our BORDER not internal cities and now THOUSANDS more are going to show up in Minneapolis where Renee Good was MURDERED and Trump and his sycophants rush to the murderers aid IMMEDIATELY with ZERO real investigation which is GOING to screw up ANY real independent investigation and BTW, Feds stopped Minnesota from investigating a murder in their own city.
You are not looking at the root cause; you are looking at the outcome of a lawless government that is only interested in a narrative against those who want the rule of law applied! Border control is ICE’s job; those entering the country illegally are to be removed by law It is ugly, not because of ICE, but because those who want this refuse to hold anyone accountable for ...[text shortened]... is not a big deal on the left, from taking money earmarked for others to protecting voter integrity.
Which makes it MORE than obvious, they are NEVER going to even come close to blaming that fking MURDERER and BTW the video shows him at least 2 feet from the car AND her steering FULL RIGHT and is heard saying ''I'm not mad at you'' ten seconds later she is dead and ALSO BTW a FKING SURGEON was right there and those BASTARD ICE agents REFUSED to let him de even basic CPR which might have saved her life, so there is more there than ''just'' the murder of Renee Good and also BTW, protests have broken out all over the country, TENS of thousands protesting ICE, so if they want to protect the border, than FKING GO BACK TO THE BORDER WHERE THEY ARE TRAINED.
They are not trained very well at all for this kind of Trump GESTAPO, and there have been SO far NINE shootings by ICE agents in just the last 4 months. And now add a murder to their list.
@wildgrass saidAnd ICE needs support from local authorities; you may as well say the Army can fight our wars, they don’t require the Marines, Navy, or Air Force.
What are you talking about? The local police can do their jobs just fine without ice.