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Originally posted by Sambo69He should have copy/pasted information trying to discredit Islamic organizations like Ivanhoe is doing rather than pictures of children who were killed by American bombs. The first is apparently OK to do in numerous threads while the second is absolutely forbidden. Where's Sasquatch when you need him?
STANG supposedly got banned for spamming but, upon his return, he was banned indefinitely despite having not spammed.
He was censored.
Originally posted by ivanhoeWell, let's look at the nutters on the other side:
It is revealing to read all of article 22 of the Hamas Charter:
The anti-Semetic myth about the Jews wanting to rule the world with the help of all the money and wealth they stole clearly surfaces in article 22, together with the myth that the Jews control the world media, and the myth that they are behind all wars in the past and present.
In short, ...[text shortened]... s, all the forces of Unbelief unite to confront it, because the Community of Unbelief is one."
From Wikipedea:
The Ideology of the Mafdal:
Mafdal is a Zionist party and states that Israel is a "Jewish democratic state". Mafdal's main goal is to contribute as much as it can to the state of Israel and influence its character to be more Jewish, as well as fighting for the protection of Israel and maintaining Israel's security.
Mafdal believes that the land of Israel is holy and belongs to the Jews on the basis of God's promise to Abraham and later to Isaac and Jacob. They believe it is God's will to settle all the land of Israel and nurture it. This principle has great impact on Mafdal policy toward the West Bank and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
It is of course a polite way of saying: "Let's kick everyone but us out!"
And with that sort of attitude, since the 30's and the billion dollar support by the US, it's no small wonder opposing groups have radicalised.
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Originally posted by no1marauderMarauder: "EDIT: Where's it say they're out to destroy the Jewish people?"
Didn't STANG get banned for spamming? How many places are you going to post the same thing?
EDIT: Where's it say they're out to destroy the Jewish people?
Read the Hamas Charter, especially article 22 and 28.
Maybe you yourself, so able in carefully reading texts, will find other clues that they not only are referring to the "Zionists", but sometimes overtly and even more times very openly to "the Jews" as a world force, which needs to be destroyed.
From article 28:
"All those secret organizations, some which are overt, act for the interests of Zionism and under its directions, strive to demolish societies, to destroy values, to wreck answerableness, to totter virtues and to wipe out Islam. It stands behind the diffusion of drugs and toxics of all kinds in order to facilitate its control and expansion."
"We cannot fail to remind every Muslim that when the Jews occupied Holy Jerusalem in 1967 and stood at the doorstep of the Blessed Aqsa Mosque, they shouted with joy: “Muhammad is dead, he left daughters behind.” Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims."
Originally posted by ivanhoeAgain, "Where's it say they're out to destroy the Jewish people?" And I DEMAND DIRECT QUOTES!
From article 28:
"All those secret organizations, some which are overt, act for the interests of Zionism and under its directions, strive to demolish societies, to destroy values, to wreck answerableness, to totter virtues and to wipe out Islam. It stands behind the diffusion of drugs and toxics of all kinds in order to facilitate its control and expansio ...[text shortened]... ue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims."[/b]
Originally posted by ivanhoeZionism is just another facist movement Ivanhoe.
Marauder: "EDIT: Where's it say they're out to destroy the Jewish people?"
Read the Hamas Charter, especially article 22 and 28.
Maybe you yourself, so able in carefully reading texts, will find other clues that they not only are referring to the "Zionists", but sometimes overtly and even more times very openly to "the Jews" as a world force, which needs to be destroyed.
Wake up and smell the napalm (or whatever else they're bombing Gaza and the Lebanon with).
Originally posted by shavixmirThere are many "Zionisms"-religious, political, and cultural-all of which have in common the desire to see Jews from around the world settled permanently in a homeland in Palestine, the historical land of Israel. Religious Zionists believe that the gathering together of world Jewry into the land of Israel will fulfill biblical prophecy and bring on the millennium. Political Zionists seeks to build a nation state for the Jewish people, and cultural Zionists seek to strengthen Jewish cultural identity within their historic homeland. Jews who are not Zionists either oppose the existence of the Jewish state for religious reasons (they believe that Israel cannot come into being before the Messiah arrives) or for political reasons (as citizens of various nations they cannot give their primarily allegiance to a Jewish state, or do not wish to be associated with an expansionism that drives the Palestinians from their traditional home).
Zionism is just another facist movement Ivanhoe.
Wake up and smell the napalm (or whatever else they're bombing Gaza and the Lebanon with).
http://www.afsc.org/israel-palestine/learn/glossary.htm
Originally posted by Sambo69Yes. I know. I've lived there.
There are many "Zionisms"-religious, political, and cultural-all of which have in common the desire to see Jews from around the world settled permanently in a homeland in Palestine, the historical land of Israel. Religious Zionists believe that the gathering together of world Jewry into the land of Israel will fulfill biblical prophecy and bring on the mille ...[text shortened]... nians from their traditional home).
http://www.afsc.org/israel-palestine/learn/glossary.htm
However, the leading strain, which seems to have the over-hand since the 60's, but especially since the 80's, is hell bent on moving jews into palestinian territory and palestinians out.
There are a lot of palestinians who are no longer allowed back into Israel (or the Palestinian territories), but the country keeps filling up with radical, right-wing zionists.
So zionism gets forever more right-wing and religious.
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Originally posted by no1maraudermarauder: " .... to discredit Islamic organizations like Ivanhoe is doing "
He should have copy/pasted information trying to discredit Islamic organizations like Ivanhoe is doing rather than pictures of children who were killed by American bombs. The first is apparently OK to do in numerous threads while the second is absolutely forbidden. Where's Sasquatch when you need him?
Since when, marauder, is revealing the true nature of an organisation by means of quoting their own Charter and referring to their own words in speeches and articles, "discrediting" Islamic organisations ?
This would only be true if the Hamas Charter was not written by Hamas members themselves but by "Zionist" propagandists and if their speeches and articles were all somehow distorted by "Zionist" spinners. I don't think you are stupid enough to claim such non-sense.
In our age we can have direct contact with these organisations without interference from propaganda spinners from whatever side by means of their own internet-sites. We now have access to information directly coming from them without interference from anyone.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeNo one cares about Hamas' Charter, Ivanhoe esp. Hamas. And this thread was supposed to be about Mel Gibson so unless you think Mel was reading from the Hamas Charter to the police officer, I'd say you're off-topic.
marauder: " .... to discredit Islamic organizations like Ivanhoe is doing "
Since when, marauder, is revealing the true nature of an organisation by means of quoting their own Charter and referring to their own words in speeches and articles, "discrediting" Islamic organisations ?
This would only be true if the Hamas Charter was not written by Hamas me ce from propaganda spinners from whatever side by means of their own internet-sites.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeHow about the National Union Party of Israel:
marauder: " .... to discredit Islamic organizations like Ivanhoe is doing "
Since when, marauder, is revealing the true nature of an organisation by means of quoting their own Charter and referring to their own words in speeches and articles, "discrediting" Islamic organisations ?
This would only be true if the Hamas Charter was not written by Hamas me ...[text shortened]... access to information directly coming from them without interference from anyone.
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Views the voluntary transfer of the Palestinian population to neighboring Arab countries (particularly Jordan with its 60% majority Palestinian population) as the only sustainable solution to the crisis in the Middle East. Bases validity of this stance on historic precedents such as massive populations exchanges that occurred between Pakistan and India at the end of British colonial rule of the area in 1947.