Originally posted by Sambo69thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard. so when youre sorry for something you give people money?
In Australia, the Jewish community protested against Mel Gibson and urged that if he had real remorse then he should demonstrate this by making a donation to a Jewish fund. This seems to confirm the stereotype of Jews being overly interested in money. How can this be regarded as a donation when it doesn't come from the heart and isn't remorse enough ?
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomThat's what I thought. Replacing emotion with money is also what's happening at government and corporate levels, with Jews being dominant in America's case.
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard. so when youre sorry for something you give people money?
Originally posted by NemesioI agree. I think far too much weight is placed upon what celebrities think, do or say. Everybody has their own predjudices and is capable of unfairly discriminating, especially when they've had a few drinks. Of course, as a celebrity, you do have slightly more responsibility to set an example, especially for the youth that look up to you and admire you. However, it's important to remember that movie stars are people too; after all the smoke and cameras disappear, they have the same flaws as everyone else. The fact that Mel apologised should be weighted more heavily, and the Jews should be willing to forgive him.
As I am sure you are all well aware, Mel Gibson was recently arrested
for DUI. During his arrest, he drunkenly blurted out appalling and
absurd statements about the Semetic people.
He is currently being chastised by the public for this action, most of
whom are demanding apologies.
I don't dispute that his statements were despicable (his word) and ...[text shortened]... tart heading down the path of censorship -- a dangerous one to
be sure.
Nemesio
B.
Originally posted by NemesioI think we must agree here. Carl Orf (sp?) is well remembered as an exceptional modern musician.
I agree that someone's personal views about the world doesn't
diminish his professional value. Consider Richard Wagner:
he was one of the greatest opera composers of all time, but was an
apalling public figure. I suspect that one's personal views will effect
the nature of their creative, professional material. That is, I now
wonder about Gi ...[text shortened]... hateful things he wants
and the media should find better things to cover.
Nemesio
I think he (Gibson) will pass to history, being a creator of some very great art works (may be that these are cheap ones only for etertainment of people) but this last appreciation doen't takes out him his merits.
The point of my comparison lies in, by te time being, that no one worries about their ideological thinking. Carl Orf has left us the beatiful Carmina Burana. And his personal ideological thinks shouldn't matter in the actuality.
May be I'm totally wrong. But the work of this people will survive his personal ideas.
My regards
- Julia
Originally posted by NemesioPeer pressure makes him apologize. I am speculating, but what he said drunk was probobly what he thinks sober. Have you ever know anyone who gets so drunk that they say what they don't think? Not me, not even once. I have met plenty of bigots that just get louder about it when drunk, it does not really change the way they think (drinking that is). If Mel got drunk and started blabing about how jews this and that....He thinks it sober....at least in my book.
Don't get me wrong: I understand why Gibson wants to get his apology
on the screen -- Damage control! I understand why he wants people
to hear him say 'I'm so very sorry I said those nasty things.' The
more people who buy into his 'contrition' the more movies he's likely
to sell.
My issue was twofold: What right does anyone have to *demand* that
...[text shortened]... called
unbiased media giving this so much play, given its public irrelevance?
Nemesio
He should be apologizing for being a bigot and not for the statements he made.
Always about the statement, not about being a bigot people are.
RTh
Originally posted by NemesioVery true. I mean, yes, Islamist extremists are allowed to rip American flags and say 'Death To America' on New York City streets, so why must Gibson be punished? Twisted much? I believe so.
As I am sure you are all well aware, Mel Gibson was recently arrested
for DUI. During his arrest, he drunkenly blurted out appalling and
absurd statements about the Semetic people.
He is currently being chastised by the public for this action, most of
whom are demanding apologies.
I don't dispute that his statements were despicable (his word) and ...[text shortened]... tart heading down the path of censorship -- a dangerous one to
be sure.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioWhat exactly did he say ?
As I am sure you are all well aware, Mel Gibson was recently arrested
for DUI. During his arrest, he drunkenly blurted out appalling and
absurd statements about the Semetic people.
He is currently being chastised by the public for this action, most of
whom are demanding apologies.
I don't dispute that his statements were despicable (his word) and ...[text shortened]... tart heading down the path of censorship -- a dangerous one to
be sure.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioLet's see if I can put this another way:
Why am I wondering about Gibson's denials? New evidence, that's why.
He previously asserted that his intent was not to depict something
antisemetic. In the absence of other information about his character,
I took this assertion at face value. Now, I have more information --
the fact that he is a closet antisemite. As a consequence, I am
obligate e you understood that.
P.P.S., Did you have any comments about the substance of my post?
Art Critic: The Lady Giaconda (in the Mona Lisa) is holding a large watermelon.
Me: No, she isn't.
AC: Of course she is. Recent studies have shown that Leonardo [da Vinci] was very fond of watermelons.
Me: So what? She's not holding a watermelon!
AC: She has to be. Given Leonardo's fondness for watermelons, there is no way he could've avoided putting a watermelon in her hands!
Me: *starts knocking head against wall*
To confirm that the Lady Giaconda is, in fact, not holding a watermelon, see the painting at http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/vinci/joconde/joconde.jpg
Also, take a look at vistesd's 'Argument from Colored Glasses' and 'Argument from the Map to the Territory' in the following thread: Thread 48903.
Assuming for a moment that Mel Gibson is, in fact, a closet anti-Semite (which I don't based on this incident alone -- from observation and experience, I do think that drunk people are capable of 'anything'😉, how does that evidence change one's assessment of whether The Passion is anti-Semitic (or contains anti-Semitic content) or not? Should I now also suppose that Sgt. Riggs, 'Mad' Max and William Wallace were portrayed with anti-Semitic leanings?
Reevaluating one's position based on new evidence is fine, provided the evidence actually has a material bearing on that position. Otherwise it's just interesting (or not) trivia.
Regarding the substance of your original post, it seems clear to me that this has more to do with The Passion than it does celebrity culture. After all, would you imagine a similar mainstream media response if Cruise, Travolta or Allen made racist/homophobe/anti-Semitic comments while drunk?
Originally posted by lucifershammerYes, I can imagine that.
... it seems clear to me that this has more to do with The Passion than it does celebrity culture. After all, would you imagine a similar mainstream media response if Cruise, Travolta or Allen made racist/homophobe/anti-Semitic comments while drunk?
Repentance - Mel's toughest role
Originally posted by BromageWell, then he is in the company of the "resistance" movement called Hamas.
That the Jews were responsible for all the wars in the world. He then asked his arresting officer if he was a Jew which, believe it or not, he actually was.
B.
From the Hamas Charter, article 22:
"As regards local and world wars, it has come to pass and no one objects, that they stood behind World War I, ... "
and:
"They also stood behind World War II, ..... "
and:
"There was no war that broke out anywhere without their fingerprints on it: “…
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
It seems to me that it is more important to talk about one of the anti-Semitic parties involved in the Middle East conflict, that repeatedly stated to strive for the destruction of the Jewish people and their state.
Originally posted by ivanhoeDidn't STANG get banned for spamming? How many places are you going to post the same thing?
[b/]Well, then he is in the company of the "resistance" movement called Hamas.
From the Hamas Charter, article 22:
"As regards local and world wars, it has come to pass and no one objects, that they stood behind World War I, ... "
and:
"They also stood behind World War II, ..... "
and:
"There was no war that broke out anywhere ...[text shortened]... hat repeatedly stated to strive for the destruction of the Jewish people and their state.
EDIT: Where's it say they're out to destroy the Jewish people?
Originally posted by NemesioMel Gibson...
As I am sure you are all well aware, Mel Gibson was recently arrested
for DUI. During his arrest, he drunkenly blurted out appalling and
absurd statements about the Semetic people.
He is currently being chastised by the public for this action, most of
whom are demanding apologies.
I don't dispute that his statements were despicable (his word) and ...[text shortened]... tart heading down the path of censorship -- a dangerous one to
be sure.
Nemesio
What can one say?
Amusingly, it seems you can't say anything anti-Jewish, but it's alright to group whole populations together as islamo-facists.
Do you reckon if he'd called someone a towel head it would have made the news?
It is revealing to read all of article 22 of the Hamas Charter:
The anti-Semetic myth about the Jews wanting to rule the world with the help of all the money and wealth they stole clearly surfaces in article 22, together with the myth that the Jews control the world media, and the myth that they are behind all wars in the past and present.
In short, the Jewish World Conspiracy myth in order to rule the world is alive and kicking.
Article Twenty-Two:
"The Powers which Support the Enemy.
The enemies have been scheming for a long time, and they have consolidated their schemes, in order to achieve what they have achieved. They took advantage of key elements in unfolding events, and accumulated a huge and influential material wealth which they put to the service of implementing their dream. This wealth [permitted them to] take over control of the world media such as news agencies, the press, publication houses, broadcasting and the like. [They also used this] wealth to stir revolutions in various parts of the globe in order to fulfill their interests and pick the fruits. They stood behind the French and the Communist Revolutions and behind most of the revolutions we hear about here and there. They also used the money to establish clandestine organizations which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests. Such organizations are: the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, Lions Clubs, B’nai B’rith and the like. All of them are destructive spying organizations. They also used the money to take over control of the Imperialist states and made them colonize many countries in order to exploit the wealth of those countries and spread their corruption therein. As regards local and world wars, it has come to pass and no one objects, that they stood behind World War I, so as to wipe out the Islamic Caliphate. They collected material gains and took control of many sources of wealth. They obtained the Balfour Declaration and established the League of Nations in order to rule the world by means of that organization. They also stood behind World War II, where they collected immense benefits from trading with war materials and prepared for the establishment of their state. They inspired the establishment of the United Nations and the Security Council to replace the League of Nations, in order to rule the world by their intermediary. There was no war that broke out anywhere without their fingerprints on it: “…As often as they light a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it. Their efforts are for corruption in the land and Allah loves not corrupters.” Sura V (Al-Ma’ida—the Tablespread), verse 64 The forces of Imperialism in both the Capitalist West and the Communist East support the enemy with all their might, in material and human terms, taking turns between themselves. When Islam appears, all the forces of Unbelief unite to confront it, because the Community of Unbelief is one."
Originally posted by no1marauderSTANG supposedly got banned for spamming but, upon his return, he was banned indefinitely despite having not spammed.
Didn't STANG get banned for spamming? How many places are you going to post the same thing?
EDIT: Where's it say they're out to destroy the Jewish people?
He was censored.