Originally posted by no1marauderIn the mainstream media? Times, Herald, MSNBC et. al.?
Sure I would, maybe even more so with Cruise since he's a bigger celebrity in the US.
C'mon no1. You know better than that.
I'm not even sure why you would want to argue that this has nothing to do with the furore a few years ago over the The Passion.
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Originally posted by lucifershammerBecause it's not true, LH. You just don't understand the US; if you asked most people about Mel Gibson they would remember Braveheart or the Mad Max movies before the Passion by about a 50:1 ratio. Paris Hilton's sex tape got more media coverage than this.
In the mainstream media? Times, Herald, MSNBC et. al.?
C'mon no1. You know better than that.
I'm not even sure why you would want to argue that this has nothing to do with the furore a few years ago over the The Passion.
EDIT: Mel hasn't been updated on MSNBC for 23 hours! That's all she wrote in the American media.
Originally posted by no1marauderMaybe he read it .... more people should read it. In particular those lefties who are so anxious in supporting these organisations without apparently knowing and/or investigating their dispicable ideology.
No one cares about Hamas' Charter, Ivanhoe esp. Hamas. And this thread was supposed to be about Mel Gibson so unless you think Mel was reading from the Hamas Charter to the police officer, I'd say you're off-topic.
I know why they (and you) are hesitant in doing this. It would make things even more complicated for them, because they are advocates of the "The Enemy Of My Enemy Is my Friend" doctrine. Things would become more difficult in their blind zeal to bash the US and the Israeli governments.
Lefties nowadays are not known for their analytical capabilities. That's why the left, both in the US ánd in Europe lost the initiative on all fronts.
They are not capable anymore of giving an over-all analyses, because they lack the theoretical framework and the ideological perspective to investigate things. Moreover they are constantly denying and turning away from very important aspects of reality, which are very annoying or disagreable and do not fit into their way of reasoning.
You marauder, are a perfect example of this one-dimensional reductionist way of reasoning.
Originally posted by ivanhoeWill you start a different thread with your ranting? This thread is about MEL GIBSON.
Maybe he read it .... more people should read it. In particular those lefties who are so anxious in supporting these organisations without apparently knowing and/or investigating their dispicable ideology.
I know why they (and you) are hesitant in doing this. It would make things even more complicated for them, because they are advocates of the "The Enem ...[text shortened]...
You marauder, are a perfect example of this one-dimensional reductionist way of reasoning.
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Originally posted by no1marauderDon't be so ridiculously formal, marauder ..... you must be running out of arguments again.
Will you start a different thread with your ranting? This thread is about MEL GIBSON.
Everything was said about Mel Gibson's arrest .... or is there something you want to add ?
Originally posted by no1marauderReally?
Because it's not true, LH. You just don't understand the US; if you asked most people about Mel Gibson they would remember Braveheart or the Mad Max movies before the Passion by about a 50:1 ratio. Paris Hilton's sex tape got more media coverage than this.
Simple Google News "experiment".
"paris hilton sex tape" - 278 hits
"mel gibson drunk comments" - 986 hits
And I'm not even sure where you get your 50:1 ratio from. Last I checked, The Passion grossed more at the US box office than Braveheart and the Mad Max movies combined:
http://www.movieweb.com/movies/boxoffice/alltime.php
Do you have any hard facts to support either of the assertions you made in your post?
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Originally posted by lucifershammerNo, believe what you want. Google hits is a very poor way to measure how much play a story got particulary when one story is several years old. And so what about movie grosses? People in the US see movies at home far more than at theaters; there's this invention called cable and another called DVDs.
Really?
Simple Google News "experiment".
"paris hilton sex tape" - 278 hits
"mel gibson drunk comments" - 986 hits
And I'm not even sure where you get your 50:1 ratio from. Last I checked, The Passion grossed more at the US box office than Braveheart and the Mad Max movies combined:
http://www.movieweb.com/movies/boxoffice/alltime. ...[text shortened]...
Do you have any hard facts to support either of the assertions you made in your post?
If you want to think it's all some big ado because Mel Gibson produced a movie(he wasn't even in it and I wouldn't be surprised if most people didn't even know he produced it) about Jesus, be my guest. You don't understand the US at all.
Back to you: give some "hard facts" to support your thesis that his comments are getting gigantic play because of the Passion.
Originally posted by Sambo69I also wonder about the conspiracy threories regarding the absence of Jews on 9/11.
Mel Gibson is getting what he deserves (and hopefully no more) but I wish he'd use the opportunity now to say what his real concerns are ... isn't American capitalism lead by (certain) Jews and aren't they complicit in Middle East problems ?
I also wonder about the conspiracy threories regarding the absence of Jews on 9/11.
In Australia, the Jewish com ...[text shortened]... are Jews (though one of them is a property developer who continually talks about money).
Oh dear.
This seems to confirm the stereotype of Jews being overly interested in money.
Oh dear, oh dear.
Originally posted by dottewellI'd like to add my "Oh dears..." to Dottewell's "Oh dears..."
I also wonder about the conspiracy threories regarding the absence of Jews on 9/11.
Oh dear.
This seems to confirm the stereotype of Jews being overly interested in money.
Oh dear, oh dear.
Perhaps Sambo will choose Shylock for his next non-subscriber handle.
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Originally posted by no1marauderI gave you the link to what you should read. So, READ.
Where's it say the Jewish people should be destroyed?
.... or do you think the Hamas Charter is an invitation for the "Jew(s)" to a picnic ?
If you want me to post a quote saying: "We, Hamas are not only aiming to destroy the state of Israel but we also aim to attack and destroy Jews all over the world." and "We, Hamas, state this in order for the marauder to understand what we are talking about ", then I have to disappoint you. However carefully reading the Hamas Charter and particularly article 22 and 28 will certainly bring light to the darkness.
Also note throughout the whole Hamas Charter they portray the "Jews" and not the "Zionists" as the enemy of Islam.
You claim you can read. So read, marauder.
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I'll help you a bit, marauder. We'll start at the beginning.
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
What do you think the following means ?
“In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate You are the best community that has been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed, it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-doers. They will not harm you save a trifling hurt, and if they fight against you they will turn and flee. And afterward they will not be helped. Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save [where they grasp] a rope from Allah and a rope from man. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the Prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress.” "Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors."
What do you think it means ? Does this part refer to the present "State of Israel" or does it refer to the Jewish people as it known throughout history, namely as "Israel" ?
(.... and please answer the question for a change, marauder)