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NYT: Mask mandates are basically useless

NYT: Mask mandates are basically useless

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@vivify said
So you're anti-mask. Got it.

And you're also anti-vax, despite the advise of the majority of doctors around.
You got nothing. Again and again the misrepresentation. I am not anti-mask.

If the mission for the day is 5 hours of welding and someone said you're not to wear a mask (talking about a breathing mask to filter welding fumes in addition to the face shield and dark lens) I'd say forget it, not happening.

If they then handed me one of the stupid pointless rags and said 'stick that on your face, off you go, get welding" same thing, forget it not happening.

That's for welding fumes but the same applies for things like grinding dust which has particles hundreds of times bigger than the virus. Take your stupid rag and shove it, it's a waste of time.

The busybodies are never at rest, always expanding their realm so now in the industry you need training to wear a welding (breathing) mask part of the training is a 'fit test' for a bit of dust and smoke. Then why not for this supposedly deadly virus.

I welcomed the masks at the beginning because any sane person would see them for the BS they are and then they'd start to question the rest of it. But the sheep factor was strong.

If you wear one and you know it's a lie, that's a great shame on you. If you wear one and think it's doing some good you're a fool. Like I've said, even the useless mask has some use, it identifies you as an idiot sheep and for that reason you should keep wearing one.


@wajoma said
You got nothing. Again and again the misrepresentation. I am not anti-mask.

If the mission for the day is 5 hours of welding and someone said you're not to wear a mask (talking about a breathing mask to filter welding fumes in addition to the face shield and dark lens) I'd say forget it, not happening.

If they then handed me one of the stupid pointless rags and said ...[text shortened]... k has some use, it identifies you as an idiot sheep and for that reason you should keep wearing one.
Do you lie every single time you exhale, or is it every other time?


@suzianne said
Do you lie every single time you exhale, or is it every other time?
It’s amusing how he bleats of others being sheep, when he’s obviously blindly following his own little herd of retards.


@shavixmir said
It’s amusing how he bleats of others being sheep, when he’s obviously blindly following his own little herd of retards.
its comical how you clique members team up against others...can any of you stand on your own?


@vivify said
Social distancing, travel restrictions, etc., are all part of anti-COVID mandates, like wearing masks.
Right (along with other measures).

Which is why you can't assume that any one input drive the output. There are too many confounding variables.

That the flu skipped the 2020-21 winter season could have been driven by any or a combination of half a dozen factors. There is no reason to believe that mask mandates were the primary driver.


@vivify said
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm

Cases of people contracting the flu were significantly lower during the 2020-2021 season, specifically due to mask mandates and lockdowns.

Clearly, both masks and mandates work.
You have no proof of that.

PCR tests were unable to differentiate between covid and the flu. That is why PCR tests for covid were replaced at the end of last year. In other words, all of the flu cases were counted as covid before 2022.


@vivify said
So you don't trust the government, you don't trust news outlets, medical doctors or scientists.

What do you trust? Right-wingers on YouTube? Facebook posts?
What are you talking about? Government is who told us masks do more harm than good. Then they said they lied. Of course I don't trust them. Why do you? Don't you know they admitted they lied?


@shavixmir said
Good grief.
It’s not like only the CDC recommended masks and mandates and everything else.
Every health body in the world did so, every virologist and most doctors.

It’s also rather obvious: a multi-layered approach generally works better than a single layer approach.

Washing hands, keeping distance, isolating the ill and wearing any sort of facial protection is alw ...[text shortened]... ou people make me sick. And your behaviour literally made people sicker than they had to be. Morons.
"But, if you sneeze, cough or breathe in public and you’re wearing something over your nose and mouth, you are less likely to spread droplets. There is no point debating that, it’s common bloody sense. "

No, that is a false assumption. You are assuming masks do not leak when you sneeze and they do. In fact, the leak makes the droplets travel farther for the same reason restricting the flow of water through a garden hose makes water shoot farther.

I put my thumb on the end of the hose to make water shoot out farther, common sense. Try using common sense sometime.


Next time someone like shav tells you it is common sense take that person outside and turn on the water hose and put your thumb over the opening of the hose to restrict the flow and spray them with water.

Then ask that person why he/she is all wet.
Common sense? Really?
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@wajoma said
The cdc says the cdc was right, who'd have thought it. About the only good thing to come from the covid drama is trust in goobermint, goobermint bueraurats, goobermint departments and the MSM has never been lower, a well overdue circumstance.

MVAs (motor vehicle accidents) were down during lock downs too, guess we should remain in lock down forever.

Wear your mask it helps to identify the sheep.
And in other unrelated news, Wajoma concurs with his own point of view.


@vivify said
Social distancing, travel restrictions, etc., are all part of anti-COVID mandates, like wearing masks.
So you point out several different restrictions and give all the credit to masks? That is unscientific. Even if those restrictions made a significant difference (and they don't) you cannot rule out washing hands as a larger factor. Or social distancing. Or travel restrictions. Or etc.

Here is a Ratt video. How does young Stephen blow out the birthday candles on the cake?



Even a child has more common sense than pro maskers. It is hard to blow out candles with your mouth wide open. We all know that. Pro maskers live in their own little world where masks don't leak. They do leak. I proved it to my brother once by inhaling smoke from a joint and putting on a face mask I got from the hospital and coughed. Easy to prove.

My government told us the truth the first time when they told us masks did more harm than good. Then they figured out masks would increase vaccines sales through fear and reward. They told us if we take the gene vaccine we could stop wearing masks. Then they said vaccinated people still had to wear masks, then two masks. Why? BECAUSE THE GENE VACCINES DO NOT STOP SPREAD!

Since the gene vaccines do NOT stop spread everyone will get it. That alone makes ALL mandates useless except to prevent hospital over crowding. That is the only exception.

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@mott-the-hoople said
its comical how you clique members team up against others...can any of you stand on your own?
Oh, the irony.

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@metal-brain said
"But, if you sneeze, cough or breathe in public and you’re wearing something over your nose and mouth, you are less likely to spread droplets. There is no point debating that, it’s common bloody sense. "

No, that is a false assumption. You are assuming masks do not leak when you sneeze and they do. In fact, the leak makes the droplets travel farther for the same reason ...[text shortened]... the end of the hose to make water shoot out farther, common sense. Try using common sense sometime.
The right is really really bad at analogies.

You read and believe every whack-a-doodle thing you read.

You're a science denier masquerading as a scientist.


@suzianne said
The right is really really bad at analogies.

You read and believe every whack-a-doodle thing you read.

You're a science denier masquerading as a scientist.
It never occured to me but the thumb over the hose is an excellent analogy. We occasionally had to work on ships as they were sailing and while in a ballast tank welding I became seasick, everyone was sea sick the ship wasn't carrying any ballast we were in the tanks and the thing was bobbing and rocking around.

Anyway, I realised what was coming but by the time to stop welding, put down the hand piece, get rid of the welding helmet and fumble with the mask with gloves on I had puked. I was well impressed by the fan of puke coming out of the sides of the mask going in every direction and some meters distance compared to a nice neat puddle in front of me.

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