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@sh76 saidThat's not an honest way to assess the role of masks. Masks are one part of a whole and were never meant to be used as the sole method of reducing Covid spread.
First of all, I'm referring to only mask mandates, not other NPIs.
Would you ever study the effects of protein shakes on muscle building in isolation from exercise? Wouldn't it be dumb to complain that protein shakes by themselves are useless apart from working out?
That's what you're doing by isolating only the effects of masks. They're just one part of Covid mandates that include social distancing, vaccines, handwashing, sanitizers, etc.
@vivify saidAnalogy Fail, Analogy Fail.
That's not an honest way to assess the role of masks. Masks are one part of a whole and were never meant to be used as the sole method of reducing Covid spread.
Would you ever study the effects of protein shakes on muscle building in isolation from exercise? Wouldn't it be dumb to complain that protein shakes by themselves are useless apart from working out?
That's w ...[text shortened]... t one part of Covid mandates that include social distancing, vaccines, handwashing, sanitizers, etc.
You may as well mandate blue hair to cure covid to satisfy your power tripping dream wishes. Of course people are interested in the results of:
1/ Protein shakes alone.
2/ Exercise alone.
3/ Protein shake plus exercise.
Please tell me you're one of those ijits that drinks every snake oil exercise concoction going, just in case. I can believe it.
@vivify said===social distancing, vaccines, handwashing, sanitizers===
That's not an honest way to assess the role of masks. Masks are one part of a whole and were never meant to be used as the sole method of reducing Covid spread.
Would you ever study the effects of protein shakes on muscle building in isolation from exercise? Wouldn't it be dumb to complain that protein shakes by themselves are useless apart from working out?
That's w ...[text shortened]... t one part of Covid mandates that include social distancing, vaccines, handwashing, sanitizers, etc.
And yet none of those things are mandated. I don't see handwashing police making sure you rub Purell on your hands before entering the supermarket.
All those things are nice, common sense sanitary habits and people are welcome to engage in if they so choose. None of them should be mandated by government. Do you disagree? If so, please explain why. If not, then you're not disagreeing with me.
@wajoma saidThe example even proves the opposite. Protein shakes without exercise are not only useless in bodybuilding, they'll just make one fat due to high calorie content.
Analogy Fail, Analogy Fail.
You may as well mandate blue hair to cure covid to satisfy your power tripping dream wishes. Of course people are interested in the results of:
1/ Protein shakes alone.
2/ Exercise alone.
3/ Protein shake plus exercise.
Please tell me you're one of those ijits that drinks every snake oil exercise concoction going, just in case. I can believe it.
But the real point is that government has no business mandating personal hygiene, especially in an era where the risk from infectious disease is only marginally higher than it was in 2018 and lower than it is in most winters.
@sh76 saidWhether governments should be allowed to impose mandates is a different topic from whether they work,, which is what your OP is about. There's enough data showing mandates are effective that we don't need to rehash for the thousandth time on this site.
===social distancing, vaccines, handwashing, sanitizers===
And yet none of those things are mandated. I don't see handwashing police making sure you rub Purell on your hands before entering the supermarket.
All those things are nice, common sense sanitary habits and people are welcome to engage in if they so choose. None of them should be mandated by government. Do you disagree? If so, please explain why. If not, then you're not disagreeing with me.
Government mandates have existed for decades, like vaccine mandates for children to start school. So I don't understand what you're arguing.
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@sh76 saidMasks are not "personal hygiene". That's dishonest rebranding, like calling the Jan 6th riots "legal protests".
But the real point is that government has no business mandating personal hygiene, especially in an era where the risk from infectious disease is only marginally higher than it was in 2018 and lower than it is in most winters.
It's the government's job to enact reasonable protocols to ensure public safety during an emergency. like a pandemic. Given that the mandates were in line with the recommendations of the vast majority medical experts from around the world, mask mandates fall into such reasonable protocols.
@vivify saidAssuming one-way masking with good masks work (which we are certainly led to believe), masking is entirely a personal choice. If you're wearing an N-95, I don't need to wear a mask to protect you. You're protected. Maybe not 100%, but over 90%.
Masks are not "personal hygiene". That's dishonest rebranding, like calling the Jan 6th riots "legal protests".
It's the government's job to enact reasonable protocols to ensure public safety during an emergency. like a pandemic. Given that the mandates were in line with the recommendations of the vast majority medical experts from around the world, mask mandates fall into such reasonable protocols.
The pandemic is long over. Covid is an additional endemic respiratory disease that is unlikely to change much in character between now and eternity unless we get better vaccines and treatments.
Covid ICU rates as "low" across the board
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/hospital-icu-stress-level-tracker-n1287375
Covid deaths have stayed near all-time lows despite the increase in cases in the last couple of months.
Covid hospitalizations have increased a bit, but are closer to the all-time troughs than to the highs. (Plus, with the number of cases so high and the testing of every person who goes to the hospital for any reason, the slight rise hospitalization numbers are no doubt being drive by with-covid patients.)
I don't know where you live, but let me ask everyone on this board: Is anyone here living in a place that feels like its under covid emergency? Are people around you getting seriously ill from covid in the last few months?
Not sure about you, but with the amount of immunity we've built up (vaccine and natural), in my sphere, covid is a cold, not an emergency.
@vivify saidThere's an enormous difference between masks working and mask MANDATES working.
Whether governments should be allowed to impose mandates is a different topic from whether they work,, which is what your OP is about. There's enough data showing mandates are effective that we don't need to rehash for the thousandth time on this site.
Government mandates have existed for decades, like vaccine mandates for children to start school. So I don't understand what you're arguing.
@Wajoma
Right, wear a mask, because it helps stop the pandemic. Don't wear a mask because you don't give a rats ass how many people get covid and die, and it also matters little to you 1 MILLION are dead in the US and some 4 times that around the world from covid.
Oh I forgot, it came out from a Chinese lab with the intent of making a weapon.
Kind of backfired on them didn't it.....
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@sonhouse saidIt didn't help stop the panicdemic. The lies are open for all to see. The protests in NZ, thousands of people no social distancing, no masks (except agent provocateurs) and few injected, camping, living, singing, eating, dancing together.
@Wajoma
Right, wear a mask, because it helps stop the pandemic. Don't wear a mask because you don't give a rats ass how many people get covid and die, and it also matters little to you 1 MILLION are dead in the US and some 4 times that around the world from covid.
Oh I forgot, it came out from a Chinese lab with the intent of making a weapon.
Kind of backfired on them didn't it.....
They should have been dropping like flies, yet sonhouse refuses to ask 'why?'.
We're up to four injections now and the best they can say is it may reduce the severity of covid, an empty unprovable claim, yet sonhouse refuses to ask 'why'?
Yet the push is still on here in NZ for 5 to 11 year olds to take the experiment.
You're a sheep sonhouse, just don't expect everyone else to be one too.
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@sh76 saidYou realize scientific study and continual data gathering went into determining masks were important, right? Why else do you think the CDC, WHO and every other medical expert in the world agrees on mask use?
There's an enormous difference between masks working and mask MANDATES working.
@vivify saidBecause they don't. You're getting carried away again with your exaggeration (aka lies) not every medical expert agrees on mask use. And those that do attach a bunch of conditions for effective mask use. Replace often, do not handle once in place, ceritified mask for virile protection, fit test, no facial hair, no one-way valve type masks, when you go to the cafe' don't take your virus farm off and lay it on the table but other than that once sitting the virus will stay away from you so no worries with the mask off.
Why else do you think the CDC, WHO and every other medical expert in the world agree on mask use?
@sh76 saidOutside of your extreme goalpost moving (the thread starts out claiming mask mandates were always useless but in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary you have now shifted to your familiar "COVID is no big deal now), your new claim is nonsense. The last figure I saw for a 7 day average for daily deaths from COVID was 550 on June 5th. Extrapolate that out to a year and you have 200,000 deaths.
Assuming one-way masking with good masks work (which we are certainly led to believe), masking is entirely a personal choice. If you're wearing an N-95, I don't need to wear a mask to protect you. You're protected. Maybe not 100%, but over 90%.
The pandemic is long over. Covid is an additional endemic respiratory disease that is unlikely to change much in character between no ...[text shortened]... t of immunity we've built up (vaccine and natural), in my sphere, covid is a cold, not an emergency.
Some "cold".
@no1marauder saidWhere are you looking?
Outside of your extreme goalpost moving (the thread starts out claiming mask mandates were always useless but in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary you have now shifted to your familiar "COVID is no big deal now), your new claim is nonsense. The last figure I saw for a 7 day average for daily deaths from COVID was 550 on June 5th. Extrapolate that out to a year and you have 200,000 deaths.
Some "cold".
The CDC says 244.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html