@vivify saidFrom your own link:
https://khn.org/news/article/fact-check-cdc-pcr-covid-test-distinguishes-from-flu-eua-request-withdrawal/
Claims That CDC’s PCR Test Can’t Tell Covid From Flu Are Wrong
"It doesn’t detect influenza".
PCR tests for covid do NOT detect influenza. PCR tests were replaced with tests that do. Did you see the CDC link I posted?
Some cold viruses are coronaviruses. The covid PCR tests do count other non covid coronaviruses as covid. Your link is misinformation.
@metal-brain said"PCR tests were counting flu and cold cases as covid"---Metal Brain
PCR tests for covid do NOT detect influenza.
You've just refuted yourself.
@sh76 saidThis fairly massive study refutes the Atlantic article Leonhardt relies on:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/briefing/masks-mandates-us-covid.htmlThe idea that masks work better than mask mandates seems to defy logic. It inverts a notion connected to Aristotle’s writings: that the whole should be greater than the sum of the parts, not less.
The main explanation seems to be that the exceptions often end up mattering more than the rule. Th ...[text shortened]... t people can reasonably make different choices.[/b]
Who knew the NY Times was so radical?
" a research team led by Drs. Kanecia Zimmerman and Danny Benjamin at Duke University studied 61 school districts across nine states. In all, the districts had more than 1.1 million students, from kindergarten through grade 12, and 157,000 staff. School health staff, in collaboration with local public health departments, tracked infections and reported which were acquired in the community and which in schools.
The districts provided data from late July through mid-December of 2021. Six of the districts had optional masking policies during this period; nine had partial masking (policies that changed during the study or only applied to certain grade levels); and 46 required masking.
The study was supported by NIH’s Rapid Acceleration of Diagnostics – Underserved Populations (RADx-UP) program and Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD). Results appeared in Pediatrics on March 9, 2022.
In total, the team recorded more than 40,000 infections acquired in the community (36,000 among students) and about 3,100 infections acquired in school (2,800 among students). Compared to optional masking, mandatory masking was associated with a 72% reduction of in-school COVID-19 cases.
[b]School districts with mandatory masking had 7.3 cases of in-school infection for every 100 community-acquired cases. Districts with optional masking had 26.4 cases of in-school infection for every 100 community-acquired cases. The results were similar when the researchers adjusted for district size and weeks of reporting data.
This study was conducted when Delta was the dominant variant. The team didn’t obtain data on how school masking affected the spread of Omicron. However, based on all available data, the CDC recommends indoor masking whenever there are high community levels of COVID-19.
“These findings show that school masking remains a critical preventive measure in times with high community infection rates, as we observed with Omicron, or if a variant emerges that escapes immunity,” Benjamin says."
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/mandatory-masking-schools-reduced-covid-19-cases
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@vivify saidNope. You would have to prove no cold and flu viruses are coronaviruses to prove I refuted myself. I am saying that the covid PCR tests cannot differentiate between SARS2 and other coronaviruses. Not all cold and flu viruses are coronaviruses.
"PCR tests were counting flu and cold cases as covid"---Metal Brain
You've just refuted yourself.
Your link is misinformation. They are counting some but not all cold and flu cases as covid cases. There is no specific virus for the cold and flu. Some cold viruses are rhinoviruses or example. They will not be counted except for a false positive which also happens.
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@metal-brain saidYou are a moron if you don't know those are two different viruses.
Nope. You would have to prove no cold and flu viruses are coronaviruses to prove I refuted myself.
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@vivify saidYou are a moron. The common cold can be caused by 3 different viruses. The common cold has no one specific virus type. There are four types of influenza viruses: A, B, C and D according to the CDC.
You are a moron if you don't know those are two different viruses.
Look it up yourself.
@vivify saidFrom the CDC link below:
You are a moron if you don't know those are two different viruses.
"Common human coronaviruses, including types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1, usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. Most people get infected with one or more of these viruses at some point in their lives. This information applies to common human coronaviruses and should not be confused with coronavirus disease 2019 (formerly referred to as 2019 Novel Coronavirus)."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general-information.html
@Wajoma
And if someone is immuno-compromised and wears a mask = moron? And if someone wants to protect someone else who is immuno-compromised, and so wears a mask = moron?
I’m clearly a moron – since I would not let you near some of the people I care about.
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Surgeons who wear masks = moron?
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@vistesd2 saidSo a surgeon who has covid can operate on patients if he wears a mask?
@Wajoma
And if someone is immuno-compromised and wears a mask = moron? And if someone wants to protect someone else who is immuno-compromised, and so wears a mask = moron?
I’m clearly a moron – since I would not let you near some of the people I care about.
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Surgeons who wear masks = moron?
BTW I'm completely fine with not meeting the people you care about, the people I care about don't hide their face and we make a point of shaking hands like you're supposed to.
@metal-brain saidFlu viruses are not not Sars Covid 2.
You are a moron. The common cold can be caused by 3 different viruses. The common cold has no one specific virus type. There are four types of influenza viruses: A, B, C and D according to the CDC.
Look it up yourself.
Thanks for proving my point.
@no1marauder saidMask mandates were put into place in places where the local politics allowed it because the people approved (especially from the summer of 2020 forward). South Dakota refused mask mandates despite extremely high per capita case rates in the summer of 2020.
In general, mask mandates were put in place only where there had already been severe outbreaks of COVID, so I'm not sure how valid it is to compare rates of the disease in those areas compared to other areas. A crude analogy would be you might find that people wearing body armor in the Ukraine have a higher rate of being shot and injured then those wearing body armor in S ...[text shortened]... lls but that would hardly lead you to conclude that body armor is ineffective against being injured.
I imagine the correlation between political leaning and mask mandates is much higher than the correlation between case levels and mask mandates. In any case, the studies controlled for outbreak level and compared places with mandates to those without using similar other variables. Obviously, any real-life study is going to have difficulty accounting for every possible confounding variable.
@vivify saidFirst of all, I'm referring to only mask mandates, not other NPIs.
Why wouldn't you attribute the one year when flu cases were unusually low to widespread mandates that include masks and social distancing?
But to answer your question, my answer is that there are too many confounding variables.
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@shavixmir saidShag doody, I can assure you when the whole panicdemic kicked off, swimming against the tide of a flock of sheep did not make you a sheep, it made you a cat independent, like a lion. In a small NZ country town it was quite a lonely position to hold, that of a free thinking individual while all around cowered before your god, the state.
It’s amusing how he bleats of others being sheep, when he’s obviously blindly following his own little herd of retards.
The minute the state bullying started things began to smell fishy but the sheep have a poor sense of smell, where one runs they all run, even if it's towards the abattoir.
In a moment of unusual honesty, like fauci, the NZ covid minister admitted masks didn't work but you should wear one if it makes you feel more comfortable (or more like a faceless sheep). Later the NZ goobermint admitted the masks were about reminding people there was a panicdemic, (for psychological effect [i.e. brainwashing], not physical effect)