I think it's important to point out that prisons are to the Mexican Mafia what the Pentagon is to the United States. The Mexican Mafia's power comes from being able to murder and torture prisoners within the prisons.
EDIT - Actually that's kind of a crappy analogy, but the point is prisons are resources for "la Eme".
Originally posted by utherpendragonAwesome. Now you want to make money off indigenous slave labor. Even paying them less than minimum wage is too good for them in your opinion. But you still want their labor...
Its an investment.You gotta spend money to make money right? Plus,it would really enlarge the government. Thats always a good thing.
The Mexican Mafia's power comes from drug money.
Police jobs "created" do not in actuality produce wealth. This would be a statist jobs program for American citizens - hiring them to run concentration camps for indigenous people.
If they were indigenous, they'd already be here and be legal American. They are not indigenous, they are illegal. They are law breakers. They deserve to be treated accordingly.
I didn't say that their ability to kill people is not important. I'd imagine that they can kill people in prison, as well as outside of prison. I simply said that their power comes from their money. They get their money from drugs.
Take away their money and you take away their power.
Originally posted by EladarThat is simple enough, good point
I didn't say that their ability to kill people is not important. I'd imagine that they can kill people in prison, as well as outside of prison. I simply said that their power comes from their money. They get their money from drugs.
Take away their money and you take away their power.
Originally posted by EladarIllegal drugs are already illegal, and drug dealers are picked up at taxpayer expense, disarmed and placed into the hands of la Eme on a regular basis. What possible method could you use to stop the drug dealers paying protection to la Eme? Put them in jail? Tell them to go to the police for protection? Tax drug sales? What can you do?
I didn't say that their ability to kill people is not important. I'd imagine that they can kill people in prison, as well as outside of prison. I simply said that their power comes from their money. They get their money from drugs.
Take away their money and you take away their power.
The Mexican Mafia is the controlling organization for almost every Chicano gang in Southern California. All members of Chicano gangs in Southern California are obligated under the threat of death to carry out any and all orders from made Mexican Mafia members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Mafia#Criminal_activities
Gang members and drug dealers who cooperate with the Mexican Mafia pay a “tax” to members of the prison gang. Those who refuse to pay are threatened with murder.
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060617-9999-1n17mafia.html
Let me get this straight; are you really suggesting that the gangs are powerful because they are independently wealthy, and that violence is not a significant factor? They are no different than Bill Gates in the kind of power they wield? Is that what you are suggesting?
Making a population impoverished does not take away their power to kill and torture. It simply motivates them to start killing and torturing.
Do you want a repeat of the French Revolution?
Originally posted by EladarThey are a nomadic culture my friend. Some of them are "legal" in the USA because they happened to be born on this side. Some are not "legal" because they were born a little further south. All of them are indigenous to the same geographical area, part of which is in the USA, part of which is in Mexico. They have long been known to the Mexica and the Spaniards as "chichimecas".
The Mexican Mafia's power comes from drug money.
[b]Police jobs "created" do not in actuality produce wealth. This would be a statist jobs program for American citizens - hiring them to run concentration camps for indigenous people.
If they were indigenous, they'd already be here and be legal American. They are not indigenous, they are illegal. They are law breakers. They deserve to be treated accordingly.[/b]
Just like the Texans back in the day did not recognize the legitimacy of the laws that made them in fact illegal immigrants to Texas, the chichimecas do not recognize the legitimacy of our laws. They are following the same recipe the Texans did - illegal immigration, guns and brutal violence over several generations.
You (sorry, uther is, not you) are bald facedly advocating fascism, ethnic cleansing and colonialism for the profit of whites at the expense of the indigenous people, and they know it. No matter how much you bluster, no matter how many fences you put up, no matter how many children are shot in our name - this population will never, ever go away, and they will not ever forget what we did to them. His attempts to paint reality in ways that seem to justify the brutality he wants to happen are not going to change the fact that we Americans are the best, most powerful, most savage killers around and we use our violence to steal from indigenous peoples. We always have and based on responses, maybe we always will. Maybe we really ARE an evil people.
I don't think we are. I think we're better than that. I hope sick, amoral people like uther don't prove me wrong. I hope we can do better than we have in the past. Not only because what he advocates is evil, but because it won't work. You cannot fence out your own citizens. Just look at the CA boycott of AZ and you will see that chichimecas aren't only on the Mexican side of the fence. They're on this side too, and their roots are deeper than yours even if you are, say, a direct descendent of Columbus.
Mussolini, an ethnic Italian, could not get rid of the Sicilian Mob. What makes you think ethnic Anglos could do better here in chichimeca country? They couldn't even do it in Ireland.
Just think of la Eme as the United States' version of the Irish Republican Army.
Originally posted by EladarYou may be on to something here...perhaps we can make some sort of...I don't know...Prohibition on drug use. We could even call it something dramatic...why don't we declare a War on Drugs!
I didn't say that their ability to kill people is not important. I'd imagine that they can kill people in prison, as well as outside of prison. I simply said that their power comes from their money. They get their money from drugs.
Take away their money and you take away their power.
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