http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/07/01/transcript-of-obamas-immigration-speech/
The web site above is the Presidents speech in its entirety. So who can tell me what this means?
"These women, and men and women across this country like them, remind us that immigrants have always helped to build and defend this country -- and that being an Amreican is not a matter of blood or birth. It's a matter of faith. It's a matter of fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. That's what makes us unique."
After reading the Presidents speech it is clear that he believes that building a fence is not only a bad idea, it is impossible.
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"The southern border is more secure today than at any time in the past 20 years. But our borders are just too vast for us to be able to solve the problem only with fencs and border partols. It won't work. Our borders will not be secure as long as our limited resources are devoted to not only stopping gangs and terrorists, but also the hundreds of thousands who attempt to cross each year simply to find work. That's why businesses must be held accountable if they break the law by deliberately hiring and exploiting undocumented workers."
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First of all, the President claims that the borders are more secure and "safe" than ever before in the last 20 years. So where is the evidence of this? Secondly, he has waved the white flag as far as building a fence. The solution? It is to hold business accountable for hiring illegals. Then those who are "criminals" can be hunted down as they are presumably today. So holding businesses accountable will only hinder illegals who want to work, not those who are in the country to egage in criminal activity. That will only mean a higher percentage of criminal illegal immigration, not the curtail of criminal immigrants. So if you think racism is rampant today toward illegals, just you wait for Obama's vision of immigration.
Brilliant!!
Originally posted by badmoonBut I thought the borders were open? In fact, Obama says the ONLY way to keep them out is to punish people who hire them in the private sector.
Amnesty is the answer. Then open the borders up. Allw 4-5 million each year to enter legally. Your crime problem disappears.
So it is your opinion that anyone and everyone should be allowed to become an American citizen?
Originally posted by badmoonOh ya right. Who feeds and clothes them, how do the school systems handle the extra burden, and what about medical care...
Amnesty is the answer. Then open the borders up. Allw 4-5 million each year to enter legally. Your crime problem disappears.
Build a wall,, a great big freakin wall
Originally posted by spruce112358As I have said before, the U.S. should both enforce its laws and and reform its immigration policies.
95% of respondents seem to favor the Arizona law...
Here is one part of Obama's speech where he talks specifically about Arizona:
"Into this breach, states like Arizona have decided to take matters into their own hands. Given the levels of frustration across the country, this is understandable. But it is also ill conceived. And it’s not just that the law Arizona passed is divisive -– although it has fanned the flames of an already contentious debate. Laws like Arizona’s put huge pressures on local law enforcement to enforce rules that ultimately are unenforceable. It puts pressure on already hard-strapped state and local budgets. It makes it difficult for people here illegally to report crimes -– driving a wedge between communities and law enforcement, making our streets more dangerous and the jobs of our police officers more difficult. And you don’t have to take my word for this. You can speak to the police chiefs and others from law enforcement here today who will tell you the same thing. These laws also have the potential of violating the rights of innocent American citizens and legal residents, making them subject to possible stops or questioning because of what they look like or how they sound."
I do wonder if the Arizona law would have 95% support among those American citizens and legal residents who look and sound like the kind of people whom the law instructs law enforcement to stop and question?
Originally posted by FMFOK, here is one for you to explain to me.
As I have said before, the U.S. should both enforce its laws and and reform its immigration policies.
Here is one part of Obama's speech where he talks specifically about Arizona:
"Into this breach, states like Arizona have decided to take matters into their own hands. Given the levels of frustration across the country, this is understandable. But it is al ...[text shortened]... nd sound like the kind of people whom the law instructs law enforcement to stop and question?
Situation A: Police receive a report of a crime where a middle-aged white male was seen fleeing the scene. Police stop several middle-aged white males for questioning.
Situation B: Police are inundated with reports of short, dark-complexioned Hispanics seen entering the country illegally. Police stop several short, dark-complexioned Hispanics for questioning.
I find both A and B completely acceptable, but apparently there are some people up in arms about 'B'. So why is that?
Originally posted by spruce112358Police stop several middle-aged white males and ask them to prove that they are American citizens?
OK, here is one for you to explain to me.
Situation A: Police receive a report of a crime where a middle-aged white male was seen fleeing the scene. Police stop several middle-aged white males for questioning.
Originally posted by spruce112358situation A - a single specific crime - police question a few middle-aged white people, follow the various leads, and eventually solve or abandon the case.
OK, here is one for you to explain to me.
Situation A: Police receive a report of a crime where a middle-aged white male was seen fleeing the scene. Police stop several middle-aged white males for questioning.
Situation B: Police are inundated with reports of short, dark-complexioned Hispanics seen entering the country illegally. Police stop sever ...[text shortened]... pletely acceptable, but apparently there are some people up in arms about 'B'. So why is that?
situation B - an ongoing event involving large amounts of people - police stop and question large numbers of hispanic-looking people on a daily basis, with no hope of ever solving or abandoning the case.
it ultimately comes down to how Arizona specifically enforces their law -- if the police limit their citizenship checks to people who are already breaking the law or posing an obvious threat to the safety of others, there will be minimal complaints -- but there will also be minimal impact on the immigration problem.
If the police act more aggressively - possibly under pressure to make a large impact on the immigration problem - you're probably going to end up with the police finding any excuse to pull dark-skinned people over for questioning. An occasional stop isn't going to really bother you - but if it happens to you on a daily basis, its going to really bother you.
Originally posted by FMF#1. Obama stated that a "wall" is not possible.
The "only way"? Is this not a misrepresentation of Obama's stance?
#2. He stated that the private sector needs to be policed to deal with the problem.
What am I missing?
What I find fascinating though is his comment about "faith" being the criteria for citizenship rather than blood or birth. Perhaps being an American is now a spiritual experience. In fact, those who do not share our "values" could then potentially decalred unamerican. Of course, I'm sure they will get free medical and schooling despite their status.
Originally posted by whodeyYou are missing the fact that a major portion of his speech - which I have read in full - was devoted to the issue of securing the border. So when you said "Obama says the ONLY way to keep them out is to punish people who hire them in the private sector", you were lying and hoping that people would not take a look at what he actually said. Shame on you, whodey, yet again.
#1. Obama stated that a "wall" is not possible.
#2. He stated that the private sector needs to be policed to deal with the problem.
What am I missing?
Originally posted by whodeyyou speak english don't you? then why ask "what does this mean"?
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/07/01/transcript-of-obamas-immigration-speech/
The web site above is the Presidents speech in its entirety. So who can tell me what this means?
"These women, and men and women across this country like them, remind us that immigrants have always helped to build and defend this country -- and that being an Amreican is ...[text shortened]... r of fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. That's what makes us unique."