Originally posted by AThousandYoungThey are crazy if they think they will be anyting but a small minority party if they hold true to these beliefs. They are ideologues who have no clue how to actually make things work. Their beliefs sound good, but then when you look at what would result, people turn away.
Roffles. This post seemed to be spot on until you declared libertarians to be crazy for believing this stuff.
Originally posted by Eladaryou're correct, if you're saying that if taken to extreme libertarian beliefs would lead to absurdities, but in this case (regarding drugs) I don't believe you're being entirely truthful.
They are crazy if they think they will be anyting but a small minority party if they hold true to these beliefs. They are ideologues who have no clue how to actually make things work. Their beliefs sound good, but then when you look at what would result, people turn away.
Originally posted by EladarI agree, but that's because of their ECONOMIC beliefs, not their social beliefs.
They are crazy if they think they will be anyting but a small minority party if they hold true to these beliefs. They are ideologues who have no clue how to actually make things work. Their beliefs sound good, but then when you look at what would result, people turn away.
Originally posted by Eladarthats fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. but you'd be a hypocrate if you ever said you believed in the right to pursuit of happiness considering you're very selective when determining when such principle applies.
I believe marijuana should remain illegal, so yes.
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Originally posted by FMFWell the President can say that he will use little green men from Mars to control immigration for all I care. The simple fact of the matter is that, on the one hand, he says that there are too many illegals in this country to send them back. On the other hand, he says that he will send more people to "secure" the border. So is the answer yes or no Mr. President? Do we have enough man power to send the illegals back and/or stop them from coming to the US? If not, which by his own admission we do not, then the only deterent must be to crack down on those who hire the illegals.
Simply asking me this "question" (it's actually just an assertion masquerading as a question) does not distract me or anyone else from the fact that you have TWICE misrepresented what the president actually said in his speech.
The Soviets proved that a wall can be build to imprison an entire country, so why is the smaller US/Mexican border impossible to secure via a wall? The President can pass any legislation he wants but the truth of the matter is that the people will just keep coming.....that is unless the President sends enough troops to stop them from coming across the border indefinately. LOL.
Originally posted by generalissimoI think it fair to say that the populace derives its morality from authority figures.
[b]Many people determine what's right and what's wrong based on what's legal and what's illegal
don't be ridiculous. alcohol is legal and yet that doesn't mean everybody thinks its alright to be drunk just because such thing isn't illegal.
how many people exactly? do you have any statistics to back this up?
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Originally posted by whodeyI think that any exploitation is mutual. Yes the farms pay less, but many undoc people do make min wage here is Az. I've spoken with people who hire outdoor laborers and these companies pay min wage or a bit better. They wink when asked if they've hired undoc workers. I still wouldn't do the work here in the heat for that pay.
So you wish to "exploit" the illegal worker for our own benefit?
Americans will not do that work for min wage. Even with this recession or poor labor market. they won't do it.
Originally posted by badmoonSo if you are in favor of "exploiting" the Mexican worker, I would presume you would be in favor of banning the entire minimum wage laws for US citizens?
I think that any exploitation is mutual. Yes the farms pay less, but many undoc people do make min wage here is Az. I've spoken with people who hire outdoor laborers and these companies pay min wage or a bit better. They wink when asked if they've hired undoc workers. I still wouldn't do the work here in the heat for that pay.
Americans will not do that work for min wage. Even with this recession or poor labor market. they won't do it.
Originally posted by badmoonSo according to the laws of supply and demand, employers would be forced to pay higher wages. But by exploiting foreign workers and breaking the law they don't have to.
I think that any exploitation is mutual. Yes the farms pay less, but many undoc people do make min wage here is Az. I've spoken with people who hire outdoor laborers and these companies pay min wage or a bit better. They wink when asked if they've hired undoc workers. I still wouldn't do the work here in the heat for that pay.
Americans will not do that work for min wage. Even with this recession or poor labor market. they won't do it.