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Originally posted by EladarI do, though regulated.
[b]the legalization would not create a whole new crop of druggies.
Sure it would. Many people determine what's right and what's wrong based on what's legal and what's illegal. But in any case, it isn't marijuana that the drug cartels are making money on, its crack.
Do believe that we should make the use of crack legal too?[/b]
United States morality is based on inalienable rights. If you want to go there we need to recognize the Right to Pursue Happiness and the Right to One's Own Body.
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Originally posted by EladarActually I heard somewhere that illegal steroids are more profitable than the other high profile illegal drugs. If the steroids were legalized, should professional athletes be allowed to take them?
[b]the legalization would not create a whole new crop of druggies.
Sure it would. Many people determine what's right and what's wrong based on what's legal and what's illegal. But in any case, it isn't marijuana that the drug cartels are making money on, its crack.
Do believe that we should make the use of crack legal too?[/b]
So the question begs, should laws ignore "harmful" behavoir to oneself? The libertarian would say no. In fact, to be consistant, legallizing suicide must also be in the mix.
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Originally posted by FMFHow do you secure a border that is wide open?
You are missing the fact that a major portion of his speech - which I have read in full - was devoted to the issue of securing the border. So when you said "Obama says the ONLY way to keep them out is to punish people who hire them in the private sector", you were lying and hoping that people would not take a look at what he actually said. Shame on you, whodey, yet again.
So let me get this straight, the problem with enforcing the immigration laws is that there are 11,000,000 of them in the US. So what is to be done with them? After all, we don't have the man power to send them back home. On the other hand, we can continue to allow the borders to be open so people can walk across it unempeeded and then enforce the laws by kicking them out of the US? Make no mistake, what Obama is suggesting is reducing the appeal of coming to the US by cracking down on businesses who hire them.
Originally posted by EladarSpot on!!
I don't see how polygamy can be outlawed from a libertarian point of view. Why should anyone be held accountable to definitions deteremned by others. Live and let live. What's good for you is good for you. You define how you'd like to live.
Crazy.
Originally posted by EladarMany people determine what's right and what's wrong based on what's legal and what's illegal
[b]the legalization would not create a whole new crop of druggies.
Sure it would. Many people determine what's right and what's wrong based on what's legal and what's illegal. But in any case, it isn't marijuana that the drug cartels are making money on, its crack.
Do believe that we should make the use of crack legal too?[/b]
don't be ridiculous. alcohol is legal and yet that doesn't mean everybody thinks its alright to be drunk just because such thing isn't illegal.
how many people exactly? do you have any statistics to back this up?
Do believe that we should make the use of crack legal too?
if it means taking the power away from gangs, thats only the sensible thing to do.
Originally posted by whodeySimply asking me this "question" (it's actually just an assertion masquerading as a question) does not distract me or anyone else from the fact that you have TWICE misrepresented what the president actually said in his speech.
How do you secure a border that is wide open?
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general,
Sure I do, but it is politically impossible. I've already explained this.
Legalizing all druges is also politically impossible. The difference between our positions is that my politically impossible idea is based on ideals. Your politically impossible idea is based on accepting evil.
Originally posted by EladarSure I do, but it is politically impossible. I've already explained this.
general,
Sure I do, but it is politically impossible. I've already explained this.
Legalizing all druges is also politically impossible. The difference between our positions is that my politically impossible idea is based on ideals. Your politically impossible idea is based on accepting evil.
not if there's significant popular demand for it.
Legalizing all druges is also politically impossible. The difference between our positions is that my politically impossible idea is based on ideals. Your politically impossible idea is based on accepting evil.
not really, again, its down to popular demand.
laughable, this isn't about accepting "evil", its about accepting reality as it is instead of ignoring the problem in the hope it will go away, and believe it or not its also about ideals, the principle of personal freedom. Im sure you're familiar with that.
I believe its better and easier to treat the drug problem (and yes, I believe certain drugs really are indeed problematic) once its out in the open, prohibition doesn't stop people from getting crack and heroin, it only drives the business underground, once that happens its hard to tackle the problem, history has shown that to be true several times, it would be a mistake to ignore this.
Originally posted by whodeyThe libertarian would say "yes" I think you meant.
Actually I heard somewhere that illegal steroids are more profitable than the other high profile illegal drugs. If the steroids were legalized, should professional athletes be allowed to take them?
So the question begs, should laws ignore "harmful" behavoir to oneself? The libertarian would say no. In fact, to be consistant, legallizing suicide must also be in the mix.
Originally posted by whodeyThat is not the only problem with enforcing immigration laws. There is also the fact that there are quite a lot of people of the same ethnicity who are legal and can vote. They also control organized crime. Their organized criminals use prisons as a resource. They study ways to make guerrilla warfare...and they have the moral high ground due to theft several hundred years ago that is still being passed on through inheritance!
How do you secure a border that is wide open?
So let me get this straight, the problem with enforcing the immigration laws is that there are 11,000,000 of them in the US. So what is to be done with them? After all, we don't have the man power to send them back home. On the other hand, we can continue to allow the borders to be open so people can walk ac ...[text shortened]... esting is reducing the appeal of coming to the US by cracking down on businesses who hire them.
Originally posted by EladarRoffles. This post seemed to be spot on until you declared libertarians to be crazy for believing this stuff.
I don't see how polygamy can be outlawed from a libertarian point of view. Why should anyone be held accountable to definitions deteremned by others. Live and let live. What's good for you is good for you. You define how you'd like to live.
Crazy.
Originally posted by generalissimoOne fascinating thing to me is that this argument always seems to come from the religious right. They seem to be experts in manipulating children and the uneducated through use of force. It's really creepy.
[b]Many people determine what's right and what's wrong based on what's legal and what's illegal
don't be ridiculous. alcohol is legal and yet that doesn't mean everybody thinks its alright to be drunk just because such thing isn't illegal.
how many people exactly? do you have any statistics to back this up?
Do believe that we should make ...[text shortened]... /b]
if it means taking the power away from gangs, thats only the sensible thing to do.
To be fair, the Marxists in education (and there are quite a few) are just as bad.