Originally posted by whodeyIn fact, those who do not share our "values" could then potentially decalred unamerican.
#1. Obama stated that a "wall" is not possible.
#2. He stated that the private sector needs to be policed to deal with the problem.
What am I missing?
What I find fascinating though is his comment about "faith" being the criteria for citizenship rather than blood or birth. Perhaps being an American is now a spiritual experience. In fact, those who ...[text shortened]... ican. Of course, I'm sure they will get free medical and schooling despite their status.
isn't that what most american conservatives do anyway?
I lost count of how many times I've heard the word "unamerican" being used by right, and now you're implying this is something wrong. make your mind up.
Of course, I'm sure they will get free medical and schooling despite their status.
really?
Anyone who is n the US and does not speak english should be an obvious "we need to check your papers".
Republicans want cheap labor. Democrats want votes. Both parties have people who are making money off the drug trade. Nothing is going to happen when it comes to illegal immigration. Too many people have an interest in keeping things just the way they are.
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Originally posted by EladarThe eventual pragmatic compromise will probably be a limited amnesty of some kind in harness with even more effort to secure the borders, plus the crackdown on illegal hiring that was also mentioned in passing. But Obama oposes a 'blanket amnesty'. As he said in his speech:
Republicans want cheap labor. Democrats want votes.
"I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally."
There's a good deal of common sense in these words.
The real problem here is that the US is unwilling to put any bite into their immigration policy. What's the punishment for being caught? We'll send you back so that you can cross again. Not a real good solution. Doing what we've always done will result in nothing more than what we have right now.
Originally posted by EladarI support enforcing the law. But how many of the estimated 11,000,000 illegal immigrants would you be prepared to see gaoled?
The real problem here is that the US is unwilling to put any bite into their immigration policy. What's the punishment for being caught? We'll send you back so that you can cross again. Not a real good solution. Doing what we've always done will result in nothing more than what we have right now.
Originally posted by FMFThe police ask relevant questions to the crime under investigation. So the white guy might get asked "Where were you at 8:00pm on Saturday? Can you prove that?" and the Hispanic might be asked, "Are you an American citizen? Can you prove that?"
Police stop several middle-aged white males and ask them to prove that they are American citizens?
We expect the police to ask relevant questions. Suppose they knew that in situation A they were definitely looking for a non-American (I don't know how they would know that, but for instance.) Then they would definitely ask the white guy if he was a citizen.
Originally posted by MelanerpesI don't think you can blame the police for the scale of the crime.
situation A - a single specific crime - police question a few middle-aged white people, follow the various leads, and eventually solve or abandon the case.
situation B - an ongoing event involving large amounts of people - police stop and question large numbers of hispanic-looking people on a daily basis, with no hope of ever solving or abandoning the ...[text shortened]... really bother you - but if it happens to you on a daily basis, its going to really bother you.
In the face of such a crime wave, one could argue for much more extreme measures and be perfectly right -- a house-to-house search under a blanket warrant over the entire state seeking out illegals.
The current law is far more watered-down that that. But much more would be warranted, if we were taking the law seriously.
Originally posted by FMFKilled, no. Illegal immigration isn't a capital offense. It is breaking the law. It should be punished as if it was breaking the law. Perhaps 10-20 years in an Arizona or New Mexico outdoor tent prison.
I support enforcing the law. But how many of the estimated 11,000,000 illegal immigrants would you be prepared to see gaoled?
I suppose we'd need a juvenial facility for the kids.
I think it should be viewed the same way as something like breaking and entering. What do you do with a theif who breaks into people's homes and steals their stuff? What do you do with the kids the the theives bring along with them who join in on the job?
It's a sad thing when families get broken up because someone in the family decides to break the law. It happens to US citizens all the time. Why should those who aren't even US citizens be treated better?
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Sorry, read gallowed. Had to look up the word you used. It isn't part of my vocabulary. I'm not a wordsmith, far from it.
To answer your question, I'd love to see all of them arrested and put in jail. It would provide many jobs for US citizens, both the ones the illegals used to do and new jobs for those watching the law breakers.
Originally posted by Eladar10-20 years in gaol for working without a visa? Or did you mean 10-20 years in gaol for illegal immigrants who commit crimes that are more serious than being undocumented?
It is breaking the law. It should be punished as if it was breaking the law. Perhaps 10-20 years in an Arizona or New Mexico outdoor tent prison.
How many of the estimated 11,000,000 illegal immigrants would you be prepared to see gaoled for being in the U.S. or working without a visa?