@no1marauder saidHow can they not, what deaths are not included, I have seen this and it is ridiculous to "omit" data. For what reason? A death is a death, no matter what the cause.
LMAO! From your link:
"NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus."
@eladar saidI can agree, in Australia, deaths from all causes, Jan- June 2021 are up 6% from 2020 because people were to scared to seek treatment from all other sources. reluctant to get regular check-ups etc. Yep, fear is stupid.
I think ag this point we can all agree that covid is not killing people, stupidity is killing people.
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@eladar saidWhy do you need a chart? The numbers are right there.
So, do you have an official chart or not? You would think someone would have official numbers put in context by now.
But I guess getting a chart is really asking too much of you.
EDIT: But here's some charts to make you happy. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html
@jimmac saidAsk Eldy why he used such a crappy source, not me.
How can they not, what deaths are not included, I have seen this and it is ridiculous to "omit" data. For what reason? A death is a death, no matter what the cause.
I've given the official US government numbers; they've collected the total number of deaths in the US for many years.
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@sh76 saidOK, so we'll be down to what - 100 COVID deaths a week by February?
That number seems to falling by more than 10% per week. It was 87% a few weeks ago. Omicron will swallow Delta whole soon just as Delta swallowed Wuhan original.
Assuming Omicron is mild and that Omicron generates antibodies that protect against other variants (both seem likely), Omicron may be the Deus ex machina that ends this pandemic once and for all.
(Confession: phraseology of last sentence borrowed from some guy on Twitter)
@no1marauder saidI would just like to see the death rate calculated. Compare apples to apples.
Why do you need a chart? The numbers are right there.
EDIT: But here's some charts to make you happy. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html
I believe that most people who have died have done so because they made poor decisions. Since it is their fault, I see this whole thing as one big fiasco on a personal level.
You see it as some crusade to get people to get a shot and to lose their job.
@eladar saidGovernments have considered it their obligation for hundreds, probably thousands of years, to do what they can to protect their people from deadly, contagious diseases.
I would just like to see the death rate calculated. Compare apples to apples.
I believe that most people who have died have done so because they made poor decisions. Since it is their fault, I see this whole thing as one big fiasco on a personal level.
You see it as some crusade to get people to get a shot and to lose their job.
For why, you might want to study Social Contract theory (the Framers sure did).
@eladar saidWhat are you actually saying?
I would just like to see the death rate calculated. Compare apples to apples.
I believe that most people who have died have done so because they made poor decisions. Since it is their fault, I see this whole thing as one big fiasco on a personal level.
You see it as some crusade to get people to get a shot and to lose their job.
There’s a pandemic. The UN and every single government and health expert are telling you there’s a dangerous pandemic. And, yet, you seem to think it’s wrong for the government to try to protect people from it; that it’s not the duty of government to keep health services operational.
You really and truly sound stupid.
@shavixmir saidHe thinks it would benefit humanity if everyone got covid. Unfortunately, he's not alone in this thinking in America.
What are you actually saying?
There’s a pandemic. The UN and every single government and health expert are telling you there’s a dangerous pandemic. And, yet, you seem to think it’s wrong for the government to try to protect people from it; that it’s not the duty of government to keep health services operational.
You really and truly sound stupid.
I wonder if he also thinks it would benefit humanity if everyone was 'eased into the great beyond' on their 35th birthday.
@suzianne said===He thinks it would benefit humanity if everyone got covid. ===
He thinks it would benefit humanity if everyone got covid. Unfortunately, he's not alone in this thinking in America.
I wonder if he also thinks it would benefit humanity if everyone was 'eased into the great beyond' on their 35th birthday.
It doesn't benefit humanity for everyone to get COVID, but it's probably inevitable, unless they develop some truly sterilizing vaccine (very unlikely).
@no1marauder saidthe US govt used to be a reliable source...democrats have politicized every agency...
Ask Eldy why he used such a crappy source, not me.
I've given the official US government numbers; they've collected the total number of deaths in the US for many years.
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068643344/cdc-omicron-covid-19-delta-revise-estimates
@no1marauder saidUmmm. No.
OK, so we'll be down to what - 100 COVID deaths a week by February?
Reported COVID deaths will go up before they go down. I wouldn't be surprised if the 7-day average reaches 2,000 at some point in the next 6 weeks. The surge of the last month will take its toll eventually. And many deaths from today won't be reported for another month anyway. I'd guesstimate that from infection to reported death probably averages at least 6-8 weeks.
Given how contagious COVID is and given the way COVID deaths are reported, forget 100 per week. I don't think COVID deaths will ever again fall below 100 per DAY on average unless they produce some silver bullet treatment.
After all, the flu causes about 100/day on average in a medium flu year and we DON'T ubiquitously test for it. Now, I'm not in the "most COVID deaths aren't really caused by COVID" camp, but surely that's true in some cases. There are always going to marginal cases that never would have been noted were it not for testing.
My grandfather died "of" pneumonia, but his heart was going to give out within a few weeks or months anyway. The pneumonia might have finished him off a little early. My grandmother died of heart failure, but also happened to have pneumonia at her death. I don't know if pneumonia was on the death certificate, but I suspect that if she'd tested for COVID (this was 2005), it certainly would have been. Again, I'm not saying this happens with most COVID deaths, but it happens enough to prevent COVID deaths from ever sinking too low. I'm sorry if this sounds callous, but in crafting public policy, you must distinguish between cutting down a 30 year old in his prime and finishing off an 87 year old with a bad heart. Failing to do so may feel morally superior but it leads to bad policy decisions.
In any case, in a bad winter, flu deaths can easily get to 300/day. And that's without testing everyone in the hospital for flu. I don't expect winter COVID deaths to ever fall below about that level as long as we're testing everyone for COVID.
But I do think that unless some other nasty variant pops out of the woodwork or unless the CW on Omicron turns out to be disastrously wrong, by the late Spring, COVID deaths should fall to something like flu-level and I don't expect a major surge next late summer.
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@sh76 saidHow is your Florida/seasonality thing working out? Is it seasonality like every season, summer, fall, winter etc.
Ummm. No.
Reported COVID deaths will go up before they go down. I wouldn't be surprised if the 7-day average reaches 2,000 at some point in the next 6 weeks. The surge of the last month will take its toll eventually. And many deaths from today won't be reported for another month anyway. I'd guesstimate that from infection to reported death probably averages at least 6-8 weeks ...[text shortened]... ID deaths should fall to something like flu-level and I don't expect a major surge next late summer.