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PSA: Omicron

PSA: Omicron

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@sh76 said
Ummm. No.

Reported COVID deaths will go up before they go down. I wouldn't be surprised if the 7-day average reaches 2,000 at some point in the next 6 weeks. The surge of the last month will take its toll eventually. And many deaths from today won't be reported for another month anyway. I'd guesstimate that from infection to reported death probably averages at least 6-8 weeks ...[text shortened]... ID deaths should fall to something like flu-level and I don't expect a major surge next late summer.
Your cause of death argument is dumb, conspiratorial in nature, and easily refuted by excess death statistics.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm


@wildgrass said
How is your Florida/seasonality thing working out? Is it seasonality like every season, summer, fall, winter etc.
Florida doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are hundreds of flights a day between the northeast and Florida.

Anyway, Omicron is much more infectious than Delta and Omicron is probably likely causing the Florida uptick. That Florida hospitalizations are still low (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/florida-covid-19-cases-rise-hospitalizations-remain-low/77-1a197f27-4027-4216-91ec-9b62b138a663) is further indication that it's Omicron rather than Delta.


@sh76 said
Florida doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are hundreds of flights a day between the northeast and Florida.

Anyway, Omicron is much more infectious than Delta and Omicron is probably likely causing the Florida uptick. That Florida hospitalizations are still low (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/florida-covid-19-cases-rise-hospitalizations-remain-lo ...[text shortened]... /77-1a197f27-4027-4216-91ec-9b62b138a663) is further indication that it's Omicron rather than Delta.
The case count statistic will become less relevant as the Omicron virus spreads.
In fact, the numbers are low everywhere as testing can't keep up with the demand.
This is happening everywhere, Canada, Europe.
When this is all over and the report cards are written, the selective cherry picking on both sides will probably continue.
But in the case of Florida, DeSantis will be evaluated on the total deaths in Florida.
And the number of deaths that could have been avoided.
The blather on Florida having the lowest case counts in the country that I have seen recently by the conservatives will be irrelevant.
The question will be how many deaths could DeSantis have prevented if he hadn't gone on his "freedom crusade" by doing everything possible to block mandates.
And the question will be out there again (to Florida and Texas in particular)

What is an acceptable death count to the GOP in their political drive to regain the House and Senate in 2022, and the White House in 2024 ?

Right wing leaning posters on this site have been dodging this question.
If you're too gutless to answer directly, it's OK. We understand. 😛


@mghrn55 said
The case count statistic will become less relevant as the Omicron virus spreads.
In fact, the numbers are low everywhere as testing can't keep up with the demand.
This is happening everywhere, Canada, Europe.
When this is all over and the report cards are written, the selective cherry picking on both sides will probably continue.
But in the case of Florida, DeSantis will ...[text shortened]... e been dodging this question.
If you're too gutless to answer directly, it's OK. We understand. 😛
You're right,
they won't respond.


@mghrn55 said
The case count statistic will become less relevant as the Omicron virus spreads.
In fact, the numbers are low everywhere as testing can't keep up with the demand.
This is happening everywhere, Canada, Europe.
When this is all over and the report cards are written, the selective cherry picking on both sides will probably continue.
But in the case of Florida, DeSantis will ...[text shortened]... e been dodging this question.
If you're too gutless to answer directly, it's OK. We understand. 😛
====What is an acceptable death count to the GOP in their political drive to regain the House and Senate in 2022, and the White House in 2024?

Right wing leaning posters on this site have been dodging this question.====

Not that it really matters, but do you really expect anyone to answer at face value such a ridiculously loaded question with such an absurd premise?

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@sh76
Maybe it was a rhetorical question, kind of a slant opinion?

One answer might be, Well, they were only democrats.

Someone actually used that here already.


@sh76 said
Florida doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are hundreds of flights a day between the northeast and Florida.

Anyway, Omicron is much more infectious than Delta and Omicron is probably likely causing the Florida uptick. That Florida hospitalizations are still low (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/florida-covid-19-cases-rise-hospitalizations-remain-lo ...[text shortened]... /77-1a197f27-4027-4216-91ec-9b62b138a663) is further indication that it's Omicron rather than Delta.
That's not what you wrote this summer, when infections raged in Florida but not in northern states. You said it was seasonal.


@sh76 said
YOU!

Yes, I'm talking to YOU! Not the guy next to you. You!

Unless you're planning to stay in your house for the next 2 months and wear a space helmet or double N-95 every time you dash into CVS to pick up your anti-anxiety pills, you're going to be exposed to Omicron at some point over the next couple of months (if you haven't already). That's the bad news.

More bad ne ...[text shortened]... it for you. We'll see you in the Spring.

But for the rest of us, live your life.

That is all.
HIGHEST RATE EVER 12./30
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-shatters-covid-case-records-232529112.html


Cases are going up death rate is dropping. That is a good combination.

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@wildgrass said
That's not what you wrote this summer, when infections raged in Florida but not in northern states. You said it was seasonal.
It is, though new variants coming on the scene obviously can have impacts. The thing started in March. Obviously, March isn't the biggest month of the year for respiratory viruses but that's when it started so that's when it hit.

Endemic respiratory viruses peak in December. It's always been that way. People can speculate on why until the cows come home (and they tend to), but the fact remains. Omicron would have increased cases dramatically whenever it hit, but it's effect is no doubt amplified by the time of year.

In 2020, Florida had its big surge in late summer and then another surge in December, but which wasn't as big as the northeast's surge, nor as big as it's own summer surge. That is what we're seeing again now.

Why do endemic respiratory viruses surge at all in Florida in December when the weather is its best of the year?

I'm not completely sure, but I'm guessing travel from other states and lower amounts of daylight (which also drives people indoors even when it is warm out) have something to do with it.


@jimm619 said
HIGHEST RATE EVER 12./30
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-shatters-covid-case-records-232529112.html
Yup. Where I live, case rates are at least 200% higher than they've ever been. But in general, people are fine and the hospitals are not being overly stressed. (I was in the hospital on another matter on Tuesday and I quizzed the nurses, who said that things have picked up recently, but it's not nearly as bad as last winter.)

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@sh76 said
It is, though new variants coming on the scene obviously can have impacts. The thing started in March. Obviously, March isn't the biggest month of the year for respiratory viruses but that's when it started so that's when it hit.

Endemic respiratory viruses peak in December. It's always been that way. People can speculate on why until the cows come home (and they tend to), bu ...[text shortened]... f daylight (which also drives people indoors even when it is warm out) have something to do with it.
The body stops making vitamin d during the winter months, no uv b rays.

You can get burned by uv a rays, but uv a rays do not make vitamin d when it hits the skin.

You are welcome for the science lesson on vitamin d production. Vitamin d is a key component to respiratory immune system response.


@eladar said
The body stops making vitamin d during the winter months, no uv b rays.

You can get burned by uv a rays, but uv a rays do not make vitamin d when it hits the skin.

You are welcome for the science lesson on vitamin d production. Vitamin d is a key component to respiratory immune system response.
That doesn’t explain why the south also surges in the summer.

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@sh76 said
That doesn’t explain why the south also surges in the summer.
Summer surge would be people in air conditioning and shutting up windows. No sunlight there either.

Traditional flu season is during the low vitamin d months.


@Eladar
Yeah, good sign for someone like you who has ZERO empathy so you don't care how many die, you will just pretend like you are a math dude and go into more statistics.