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@no1marauder saidYour hypothetical is stupid and there is no need to engage it. Huber is not a cop and more importantly his use of force against Rittenhouse was unjust. And hitting someone in the head with a big heavy skateboard (a favorite Antifa tactic) can be deadly. As in this case:
He had already killed someone; how is trying to disarm him by use of non-lethal force "escalating the violence"?
Rittenhouse may have been reasonably said to have "escalated the violence" by bringing a rifle with a 30 shot mag with an expressed intent to shoot "looters".
I note you ignored my hypothetical; smart if a bit cowardly.
https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/
Whatever moronic thing Rittenhouse said about shooting looters was in a different context, at a different time, and as the judge determined, irrelevant. What he was expressing on the night of the shootings seemed to be that he'd help anyone needing medical attention. That's pretty much the opposite of violence.
That Rittenhouse and others were armed to protect themselves was completely understandable given the violent nature of the riots going on that whole summer, including many deaths at the hands of violent rioters.
@mott-the-hoople said... the point is that doesn't make Rittenhouse's decision ok. He made the situation worse, and as a tactically untrained civilian his decision to bring a loaded weapon to a riot was a bad idea.
these decisions I mentioned are the reason for this thread
Responsible gun owners don't do that kind of stuff. Rioting is bad but it's not a death sentence.
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@wildgrass saidAgreed. However, eleven counts of pedophilia, including sodomizing a child, should in fact be worth a death sentence.
... the point is that doesn't make Rittenhouse's decision ok. He made the situation worse, and as a tactically untrained civilian his decision to bring a loaded weapon to a riot was a bad idea.
Responsible gun owners don't do that kind of stuff. Rioting is bad but it's not a death sentence.
No matter how, I am glad that monster breaths no more.
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@sleepyguy saidCivilians can use force to subdue a fleeing murderer IF they reasonably believe it is necessary.
Your hypothetical is stupid and there is no need to engage it. Huber is not a cop and more importantly his use of force against Rittenhouse was unjust. And hitting someone in the head with a big heavy skateboard (a favorite Antifa tactic) can be deadly. As in this case:
https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/
Whatever moronic thing Ritt ...[text shortened]... ture of the riots going on that whole summer, including many deaths at the hands of violent rioters.
Could you describe the injuries received by Rittenhouse by being struck with a "deadly" skateboard? Was Huber running around striking people with his skateboard prior to trying to stop Rittenhouse?
Rittenhouse made those comments less than two weeks before the shooting. They should have certainly come in as impeachment material when he presented his "choir boy" reasoning (which you have dishonestly adopted hook, line and sinker) for being in Kenosha heavily armed. It was relevant evidence of his state of mind and bore on the critical disputed point of whether he had started the incident by pointing his rifle at people with Rosenbaum as the prosecutor claimed.
Could you tell me how many people were killed in the Kenosha unrest last summer?
@sleepyguy saidFrom the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office:
Your hypothetical is stupid and there is no need to engage it. Huber is not a cop and more importantly his use of force against Rittenhouse was unjust. And hitting someone in the head with a big heavy skateboard (a favorite Antifa tactic) can be deadly. As in this case:
https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/
Whatever moronic thing Ritt ...[text shortened]... ture of the riots going on that whole summer, including many deaths at the hands of violent rioters.
"these cases establish that a citizen can make a felony arrest without a warrant based on probable cause".
https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/default/files/informal/20080903-mohr.pdf p. 3
Huber had probable cause to detain Rittenhouse and obviously that required the former to disarm the heavily armed latter.
@no1marauder saidProblem is Huber didn't see a felony being committed, he saw Rittenhouse defend himself.
From the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office:
"these cases establish that a citizen can make a felony arrest without a warrant based on probable cause".
https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/default/files/informal/20080903-mohr.pdf p. 3
Huber had probable cause to detain Rittenhouse and obviously that required the former to disarm the heavily armed latter.
Also, bashing someone on the head with a skateboard is not "detaining".
@no1marauder saidKyle isn't a murderer, and he was fleeing a mob of attacking thugs. I'm all done.
Civilians can use force to subdue a fleeing murderer IF they reasonably believe it is necessary.
Could you describe the injuries received by Rittenhouse by being struck with a "deadly" skateboard? Was Huber running around striking people with his skateboard prior to trying to stop Rittenhouse?
Rittenhouse made those comments less than two weeks before the shooting. ...[text shortened]... secutor claimed.
Could you tell me how many people were killed in the Kenosha unrest last summer?
I wonder how you'll feel about citizen's arrest in the Arbery case if those white boys are acquitted.
@sleepyguy saidThere was no reasonable cause to believe Arbery had committed any crime let alone a violent felony.
Kyle isn't a murderer, and he was fleeing a mob of attacking thugs. I'm all done.
I wonder how you'll feel about citizen's arrest in the Arbery case if those white boys are acquitted.
But the logic that prevailed for Rittenhouse is similar for the McMichaels.
@dood111 saidActually it doesn't seem Huber saw Rittenhouse shoot Rosenbaum, but if he had, he would have seen him shooting him in the back while he was falling. Apparently, Huber heard people yelling "that guy just shot someone" and heroically tried to stop him.
Problem is Huber didn't see a felony being committed, he saw Rittenhouse defend himself.
Also, bashing someone on the head with a skateboard is not "detaining".
One can use reasonable force to detain a fleeing violent felon.
@no1marauder saidI'm going to point this out one last time.
There was no reasonable cause to believe Arbery had committed any crime let alone a violent felony.
But the logic that prevailed for Rittenhouse is similar for the McMichaels.
Rittenhouse was FLEEING at the start of both altercations. McMichael was CHASING at the start of the altercation.
You keep pointing to minute similarities in the case while ignoring that 800 pound difference.
@sh76 saidMarauder will come to his senses, I know it. And just in time to wax about the Arbery verdict.
I'm going to point this out one last time.
Rittenhouse was FLEEING at the start of both altercations. McMichael was CHASING at the start of the altercation.
You keep pointing to minute similarities in the case while ignoring that 800 pound difference.
Can someone tell me why we never hear about court cases in Chicago when every weekend, eight or 10 brothers are killed up there?. How did those two cases get so much coverage? Is it because this mayhem is expected in liberal run cities, and thus not newsworthy?
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@sleepyguy saidThe only people killed were killed by a 17 year oId boy,
Your hypothetical is stupid and there is no need to engage it. Huber is not a cop and more importantly his use of force against Rittenhouse was unjust. And hitting someone in the head with a big heavy skateboard (a favorite Antifa tactic) can be deadly. As in this case:
https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/
Whatever moronic thing Ritt ...[text shortened]... ture of the riots going on that whole summer, including many deaths at the hands of violent rioters.
that chose to arm himself and travel 20 miIes to participate
in vigilante actions. Iet us not glorify a kiIIer and try to remember
who the reaI victims were.
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@sh76 saidRittenhouse shot an unarmed man because he said he was afraid he would take his weapon away from him and shoot him with it.
I'm going to point this out one last time.
Rittenhouse was FLEEING at the start of both altercations. McMichael was CHASING at the start of the altercation.
You keep pointing to minute similarities in the case while ignoring that 800 pound difference.
McMichael shot an unarmed man because he said he was afraid he would take his weapon away from him and shoot him with it.
Is "the logic that prevailed for Rittenhouse similar to the McMichael's?" Yes or no?
BTW, it is the same logic that prevailed in the Zimmerman case though it was he who was chasing Martin.