@mott-the-hoople saidI'm imagining that by "a better class of women", you mean subservient.
find yourself a better class of women
@jimm619 saidBut they choose to get pregnant, so I don't get you there. And who, other than the woman, has any say about her situation?" Dont get you there, either.
Worse yet, these same 'people.' make it
difficult for women to obtain 'the day after' pill.
Do I, or you, have anything to do with that? To enter into her status is not our right, nor our responsibility.
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Aside from whether it's good policy, this decision is a disaster for the Republican party. The GOP was poised to clean up in November, but this will hurt. It will galvanize the left, while doing little to galvanize the right.
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I agree. this really sucks from the conservative surge PoV in the midterms is concerned.
But we'll see, this has not been finalized yet and may not until after the midterms
@sh76 saidso you use something that >may<happen to have a point?
Nobody yet, but many states will do so this summer if the Alito opinion stands.
Do you feel individual states do not have a right to make their own laws?
I am not aware of any state that has or plans to outlaw abortion, you yanked that one out of the air.
@earl-of-trumps saidSee the 14th Amendment which was passed to protect individuals from States' violations of the People's rights.
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So the states decide. What has SCOTUS got to do with it? A real head scratcher.
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Exactly. Even a crime like murder is adjudicated by whatever state has jurisdiction. Rare is it the feds.
@mott-the-hoople saidCare to make a bet?
so you use something that >may<happen to have a point?
Do you feel individual states do not have a right to make their own laws?
I am not aware of any state that has or plans to outlaw abortion, you yanked that one out of the air.
I say at least 10 states will substantially ban abortions (possibly with exceptions for rape, incest, where necessary to protect the mother and the like) by October 1.
===Do you feel individual states do not have a right to make their own laws?===
Depends on what. States don't have the right to outlaw free speech. So it comes down to whether you think the mother has a right to privacy that outweighs the fetus' right to life. Either side can be argued reasonably, but you can't frame this solely as an issue that the states have a right to do whatever they want.
@sh76 saidHas any SCOTUS justice ever argued an anti-Roe position based on fetal "rights"?
Care to make a bet?
I say at least 10 states will substantially ban abortions (possibly with exceptions for rape, incest, where necessary to protect the mother and the like) by October 1.
===Do you feel individual states do not have a right to make their own laws?===
Depends on what. States don't have the right to outlaw free speech. So it comes down to whether you thin ...[text shortened]... , but you can't frame this solely as an issue that the states have a right to do whatever they want.
@no1marauder saidThat's a laughably irrelevant statement
How amusing that you believe that any HRC nominee could have gotten through a Mitch McConnell Senate, one with larger Republican majorities after the probable debacle in 2018 and 2020.
Given Hillary's extreme unpopularity we'd probably have a Ted Cruz-ish President and a Republican Senate which was filibuster proof.
Even if all of Hillary's appointments were blocked during that four year term, what would NOT have happened would be the appointment of three far-right, partisan Justices who will likely be on the bench for next 30 years.
But at least you got to proudly declare how much better your morals are than everyone else's.
@vivify saidFreakonomics has a chapter on the theory that crime plummeted in the 1990s because the effects of Roe took many of the would-be criminals out of existence.
There will be a generation of people whose parents either didn't want them or were unable to adequately care for them. These will be children bounced from home to home or raised in foster care, who will be at much higher risks for abuse and neglect, which can in turn result in higher crime rates.
I have seen much criticism of the theory, many pointing out confounding variables. It's really an unfalsifiable hypothesis. But to me at least, they make a pretty good case.
https://freakonomics.com/2005/05/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/
@vivify saidOf course there would have been + 1 after Ted Cruz -ish won in 2020.
That's a laughably irrelevant statement
Even if all of Hillary's appointments were blocked during that four year term, what would NOT have happened would be the appointment of three far-right, partisan Justices who will likely be on the bench for next 30 years.
But at least you got to proudly declare how much better your morals are than everyone else's.
It turns out it was best morally and tactically.
@sh76 saidI am dealing with facts, not "what ifs".
Care to make a bet?
I say at least 10 states will substantially ban abortions (possibly with exceptions for rape, incest, where necessary to protect the mother and the like) by October 1.
===Do you feel individual states do not have a right to make their own laws?===
Depends on what. States don't have the right to outlaw free speech. So it comes down to whether you thin ...[text shortened]... , but you can't frame this solely as an issue that the states have a right to do whatever they want.
@mott-the-hoople saidSo, you think this whole case is a non-issue until states start outlawing abortion?
I am dealing with facts, not "what ifs".
@sh76 said"States don't have the right to outlaw free speech.'
Care to make a bet?
I say at least 10 states will substantially ban abortions (possibly with exceptions for rape, incest, where necessary to protect the mother and the like) by October 1.
===Do you feel individual states do not have a right to make their own laws?===
Depends on what. States don't have the right to outlaw free speech. So it comes down to whether you thin ...[text shortened]... , but you can't frame this solely as an issue that the states have a right to do whatever they want.
But democrats do right? next thing you know they will be creating a dept to do just that...OH wait