Second Debate

@earl-of-trumps said
@vivify - The travel ban on China had nothing to do with the virus; Trump just has a personal beef with China, and COVID was merely an excuse.

^^proof positive^^ that Vivify is a true TDS-er. lol.

Nothing to do with China at all! Trump is just a rrrraaaaaaaaacist!

What would YOU have done, vivify? Such a genius. You and MarauderNo1

Know what a strawman is? Seems like you don't.

A strawman is when you falsely assert someone's position, then attack them for what they didn't say.

Did I mention racism toward China? No. Does a guy who called climate change a "Chinese hoax" have a personal beef toward China? Obviously.

Thanks for proving you use fallacious arguments.

@no1marauder

are you ducking on this?

@no1marauder said
The Constitution constituted a government, it did not create Rights.

Right wingers are abysmally ignorant of the philosophy of the Founders.


My reply...
OMG...are you kidding?

The constitution grants several rights...

"* "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." (Article I, Section IX, 2) The writ of habeas corpus enables a person under arrest to obtain an immediate examination in court to ascertain whether he or she is being legally held.

* "No bill of attainder [a special legislative act condemning and punishing an individual without a judicial trial] or ex-post-facto law [one that fixes punishments for acts committed before the law was passed] shall be passed." (Article I, Section IX, 3)

* "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States." (Article I, Section IX, 8)

* "No State shall . . . pass any bill of attainder, ex-post-facto law or law impairing the obligation of contracts; or grant any title of nobility." (Article I, Section X, 1)

* "The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; such trial shall be held in the State where the said crimes shall have been committed. . . ." (Article III, Section II, 3)

* "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or, in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or on confession in open court." (Article III, Section III, 1)

* "The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture, except during the life of the person attainted." (Article III, Section III, 2)

* "Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States. . . ." (Article I, Section III, 7)

* "Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public acts, records and judicial proceedings of every other state. . . ." (Article IV, Section 1)

* "The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States." (Article IV, Section II, 1)

* "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this Union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the Executive (when the legislature cannot be convened), against domestic violence." (Article IV, Section IV).

* "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article VI, 3)"

No1 is a horrible paralegal 😏

@mott-the-hoople said
@no1marauder

are you ducking on this?

@no1marauder said
The Constitution constituted a government, it did not create Rights.

Right wingers are abysmally ignorant of the philosophy of the Founders.


My reply...
OMG...are you kidding?

The constitution grants several rights...

"* "The privilege of the writ of habeas ...[text shortened]... required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article VI, 3)"

No1 said the Constitution doesn't "create" rights. That's correct. It lists them, which is different.

Saying the Constitution created the right to free speech means that this right didn't exist before the Constitution; that would be wrong. Free speech is a natural right that exists without or without the Constitution.

@vivify said
No1 said the Constitution doesn't "create" rights. That's correct. It lists them, which is different.

Saying the Constitution created the right to free speech means that this right didn't exist before the Constitution; that would be wrong. Free speech is a natural right that exists without or without the Constitution.

" It lists them, which is different. "

LOL

@mott-the-hoople said
" It lists them, which is different. "

LOL

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"---Declaration of Independence.

@mott-the-hoople said
@no1marauder

are you ducking on this?

@no1marauder said
The Constitution constituted a government, it did not create Rights.

Right wingers are abysmally ignorant of the philosophy of the Founders.


My reply...
OMG...are you kidding?

The constitution grants several rights...

"* "The privilege of the writ of habeas ...[text shortened]... required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article VI, 3)"

No it doesn't. Mere limitations on governmental powers are not "rights".

Read the Declaration of Independence and you'll see that to the Founders, your rights exist prior to government.

@vivify said
You're saying Trump travel-banned China because of COVID, while trying to convince America that COVID is nothing and will just "disappear"? The same guy who deliberately lied about the seriousness of COVID and mocked people for wearing masks? Who blocked Fauci from informing the public how bad COVID actually was?

The travel ban on China had nothing to do with the virus; T ...[text shortened]... ending a proven liar whose actions directly lead to 223 thousand deaths. You're not worth debating.

OK Trump at fault. Let’s enjoy a robust “Biden says we need to transition fossil fuels! “ Economies Run On oil, gas, coal. Are you for the Biden plan? Ohheck, never mind, let’s just watch the news, and don’t forget about Bobulinski. He knows a lot about the money that Biden got, that he says he did not get. It will be fun.

Or, we can figure out to get our economy back (Trump specialty) while Biden stands firm on closing businesses!!! Hahahaha

@averagejoe1 said
OK Trump at fault. Let’s enjoy a robust “Biden says we need to transition fossil fuels! “ Economies Run On oil, gas, coal. Are you for the Biden plan? Ohheck, never mind, let’s just watch the news, and don’t forget about Bobulinski. He knows a lot about the money that Biden got, that he says he did not get. It will be fun.

Or, we can figure out to get our economy back (Trump specialty) while Biden stands firm on closing businesses!!! Hahahaha

Unable to counter Trump being a proven liar who didn't care about the pandemic, you now move goalposts to oil. You're getting nailed, just like Mott.

@averagejoe1 said
OK Trump at fault. Let’s enjoy a robust “Biden says we need to transition fossil fuels! “ Economies Run On oil, gas, coal. Are you for the Biden plan? Ohheck, never mind, let’s just watch the news, and don’t forget about Bobulinski. He knows a lot about the money that Biden got, that he says he did not get. It will be fun.

Or, we can figure out to get our economy back (Trump specialty) while Biden stands firm on closing businesses!!! Hahahaha

The economy is in a depressed state under Trump and he doesn't have a single policy proposal to change that.

Biden is, of course, right that we will have to transition away from fossil fuels, a process already well underway. And millions of new jobs will be created in more energy efficient and cleaner industries when we do.

@vivify said
Unable to counter Trump being a proven liar who didn't care about the pandemic, you now move goalposts to oil. You're getting nailed, just like Mott.

You make a point, but you keep going in circles about Trump making decisions on info that you know nothing about. You were not 'in the room', so it is not possible to move beyond this point without inside information. Plus, you do not recognize mature comments, such as when I point out that FDR and Churchill made the same mindset to calm the citizens regarding war. When you did not say that I had a point, the debate ceased to move.

I did not 'move goalpost', I changed entirely to something with teeth to debate. Imagine how fun it would be to unearth the corruption of Biden, THAT is what we are trying to do to entertain our readers. The Covid Discussion has become rather exasperating, in that none of us really know what we are talking about. All we have done is decide the it was "Trump's Fault" and....that it was NOT Trump's fault . No one will answer that 1000 years from now.

But they WILL know abut the graft and corruption of Biden,,,,,so let us make a few file folders on that, for people in the future to refer to .

@mott-the-hoople said
where do you find that the parents were ever in the US to start with?

Seriously.
God damn man.

@no1marauder said
No it doesn't. Mere limitations on governmental powers are not "rights".

Read the Declaration of Independence and you'll see that to the Founders, your rights exist prior to government.

Marauder.....tell us all how you preach progressivism, or whatever the hell it is, proposing all this change that the unusual people that you follow like a lemming (AOC, et al) propose, and yet you say here how great the Declaration of Independence is. Do you have any idea what the phrase Independence means, and yeah yeah, we know it has to do with independence from england, but the big picture was developed with plain English for the citizens, being the Constitution. Liberals are NOT for free speech, which as been discussed, and evident this very week by what Big Tech has been doing, shutting down Twitter, Fbook, et al.

You and all the liberals on this sight are very confused. I think your changing world is too much, even for you.

Then your man Biden lied that he never spoke biz with his son, and now we find that he did. Confusion reigns.

@averagejoe1 said
Marauder.....tell us all how you preach progressivism, or whatever the hell it is, proposing all this change that the unusual people that you follow like a lemming (AOC, et al) propose, and yet you say here how great the Declaration of Independence is. Do you have any idea what the phrase Independence means, and yeah yeah, we know it has to do with independence from eng ...[text shortened]... man Biden lied that he never spoke biz with his son, and now we find that he did. Confusion reigns.

No one cares about your half baked conspiracy theories about Biden. This election is about Trump; it's a re-election campaign. I remain confident that the solid majority who disapprove of the Donald will do the right thing and vote him out on November 3 despite all the desperate schemes right wingers are cooking up.

" form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".

The Preamble of the Constitution is a good synopsis of what modern progressives have been successfully doing for more than a century.

@no1marauder said
The economy is in a depressed state under Trump and he doesn't have a single policy proposal to change that.

Biden is, of course, right that we will have to transition away from fossil fuels, a process already well underway. And millions of new jobs will be created in more energy efficient and cleaner industries when we do.

Transition away from fossil fuels? Did he flip flop on fracking again? If not, how does that make any sense?