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Should I move to Taiwan, China, or Japan?

Should I move to Taiwan, China, or Japan?

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Of course each country would involve different considerations.

However, I am already 65 and it's possible that my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off, and that therefore each would consider me to be an additional burden to their society.

BTW, I am not mono-lingual.


@Arkturos said
Of course each country would involve different considerations.

However, I am already 65 and it's possible that my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off, and that therefore each would consider me to be an additional burden to their society.

BTW, I am not mono-lingual.
Be aware that if you are a U.S. person as defined by the IRS, very few foreign banks will want to have you as a customer. Unless, that is, you bring with you a fortune comparable to that of TinaTurner. I speak from experience.


@Arkturos said
Of course each country would involve different considerations.

However, I am already 65 and it's possible that my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off, and that therefore each would consider me to be an additional burden to their society.

BTW, I am not mono-lingual.
You'd be very much suited for Antarctica.


@Arkturos said
Of course each country would involve different considerations.

However, I am already 65 and it's possible that my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off, and that therefore each would consider me to be an additional burden to their society.

BTW, I am not mono-lingual.
Ever considered Indonesia? It's a huge and diverse archipelago of beautiful islands, we've been here 20+ years and never looked back....(to England )


@Arkturos said
Of course each country would involve different considerations.

However, I am already 65 and it's possible that my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off, and that therefore each would consider me to be an additional burden to their society.

BTW, I am not mono-lingual.
... Why not Korea?!

Well, I can tell you that Korea would be potentially difficult due to the requirements for a retirement visa being non-negligible, and things like owning property only being granted to permanent residents and citizens.

I have no idea about the visa requirements and land ownership laws for the other three countries, though I seem to recollect that Japan may be rather liberal concerning property ownership. However, if you are very wealthy, I am sure there would be no barriers to any of these.

Of the three countries listed, I can tell you the following:

- Japan is the most modern and convenient overall, but it can be hard to navigate and expensive. It's a high context culture. It's also the case that Japan offers the most in terms of history & cultural tourism.
- Taiwan might actually be the place with the highest levels of accommodation to English speakers, though I believe Korea (not listed!) is higher. Taiwan is no slouch when it comes to cultural heritage - the national museum is amazing. However, the island of Taiwan itself is small and has less rich history than the other two competitors.
- China has probably the most possibilities in terms of diversity of standards of living - that is to say, if you are a penny pincher who receives joy from saving money and want to stretch your income, interior China somewhere would be a terrific choice. It is also a place where you can splurge and live a very comfortable, luxurious lifestyle, too, of course. Chinese historical & cultural tourism is pretty unprecedented.
- Taiwan is probably the most "politically" accommodating in the sense that I feel you would be less likely to confront strange political realities or movements that would make you feel unwelcome. It is quite rare, but there are extreme nationalists in Japan that are biased against foreigners. China has the least political freedom. Taiwan is likely the best place if you are concerned about experiencing some kind of ethnic dispute and avoiding difficulties from limitations on your freedom.

I would sy this is a very personal decision for you and what you prioritize, so I would consider traveling to all three nations prior to and seeing how it feels on the ground.


@Indonesia-Phil said
Ever considered Indonesia? It's a huge and diverse archipelago of beautiful islands, we've been here 20+ years and never looked back....(to England )
Indonesia is a great suggestion.

Question for you: how would it be to get around with just English?

And another question... How much would it take to live comfortably as a retiree?

By comfortable, I mean just having a small flat with all the modern conveniences (air conditioning, washing machine, etc.), reasonable safety, and reasonable proximity to a city or town with things to do and general services.

I am pretty far from retirement and imagine that I will spend it here in Korea, but I have long thought of doing a year or more (or part of the year) in a place like Indonesia or the Philippines, and also... You know we have a massive fertility crisis here, lol, and that will dramatically impact the quality of retirement... So, I am curious if taking my potentially highly diminished retirement package to Indonesia would allow me to stretch that into comfort in the event of a "Oh nooooo myyyy government peennsssionnnn...!" situation.

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Thank you all for your comments and alternative recommendations. This notion might end up leading nowhere, but I do appreciate your perspectives.


I think you're retired, right?
If you have a lot of money, I suggest considering Japan.
If don't, it is recommended to find a small-sized town near the big city in China , because the prices are low, the medical care is good, the environment is also good

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@shippingtest said
I think you're retired, right?
If you have a lot of money, I suggest considering Japan.
If don't, it is recommended to find a small-sized town near the big city in China , because the prices are low, the medical care is good, the environment is also good
Thank you for your comments.

Also, even if you yourself are not a frequent chess player, it looks like we have a lot of members from the PRC at RHP, which is very nice to see.

I think chess is one of the things that helps to connect people around our world and is a positive counter-influence to whatever forces of division some people try to exert.

Oops! Sorry -- got to go. The American Re-education Van is here to


@Arkturos said
Of course each country would involve different considerations.

However, I am already 65 and it's possible that my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off, and that therefore each would consider me to be an additional burden to their society.

BTW, I am not mono-lingual.
you should move to Romania and i am not even joking. Whatever check you're getting is going to translate to at least very comfortable middle class and in the major cities english is spoken by everyone.

Or any other EU member in the east of Europe, just not Hungary (Orban is turning it into a garbage country)

"my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off"
probably not completely but who knows what the orange pile of manure might actually do

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@Zahlanzi said
you should move to Romania and i am not even joking. Whatever check you're getting is going to translate to at least very comfortable middle class and in the major cities english is spoken by everyone.

Or any other EU member in the east of Europe, just not Hungary (Orban is turning it into a garbage country)

"my Social Security benefits and state pension might get cut off"
probably not completely but who knows what the orange pile of manure might actually do
I could recommend Thailand, I lived there for over 2 years way up north and the people there accepted me unconditionally.
I had a little motorcycle, called the Pocket Rocket, 250 CC 2 stroke. Anyway it died and I took it to a local shop in Nakom Phenom where I lived and they rebuilt it and when they said it was finished I went to their shop and there was a kid cleaning every square inch with a toothbrush. Price: Fifty dollars. Try to find a deal like THAT anywhere else. My flat was about 210 bucks a month, three of us split the rent so 70 bucks a month.
Lots of great stories living there.
Also did 3 years in Jerusalem everything paid, 3 kids and wife lived there, I was contractor to Intel working on an ion implanter made by Varian.
We are folk musicians and found a really great anglo folk community and were welcomed with open arms there.
Played folk fests all over Israel, the one we liked the best was Jacob's Ladder, google it!
Also did 2 years on Andros Island, one of the hundreds in the Bahamas. there is a British submarine base there based on TOTO, Tongue Of The Ocean, an underwater canyon over 100 miles long and 30 miles wide 8000 feet deep the brits paved with hydrophones for various reasons.
That was also a great gig! I didn't know it ATT but a world class folk guitarist lived there, Joseph Spence, wish I knew that ATT.
Would consider going back to any one of those places if push came to shove but Israel is expensive no doubt.
Thailand would be the cheapest and Andros was a GREAT island if you are into that kind of thing.
Now at 83 am waiting for the shoe to drop on SS, so have gotten employment and hope when they announced 'oh BTW, you will only get half what you used to make if they give us even THAT much' and hope I can hold everything together in spite of the fact I pumped in my 6% for over 60 years and those "choose pejoratives'' act like government is just giving us money.
I trust Trump as far as I can throw him and I suspect everyone here knows my opinion of that Traitor in Chief.


You might want to consider Canada, the USA’s soon to be 51st state, although you’d still be “at home” the people around you would be much more polite/non-aggressive.πŸ€”


China...definitely go to China:


@Great-Big-Stees said
You might want to consider Canada, the USA’s soon to be 51st state, although you’d still be “at home” the people around you would be much more polite/non-aggressive.πŸ€”
I'll come for the world cup if accommodation, tickets and beer(s) are on you πŸ˜‰ I'll pay for parking... You're driving πŸ€—


@Great-Big-Stees said
You might want to consider Canada, the USA’s soon to be 51st state, although you’d still be “at home” the people around you would be much more polite/non-aggressive.πŸ€”
Libtards in Canada are just as bad and aggressive as in the US.

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